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now tonight's presentation is entitled

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thoughts of a Paranormal Investigator

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and in this presentation can you be

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talking about his theories on what the

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Paranormal could actually be about

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from Stone type theories to Time Slips

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that means nothing to you then you will

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learn

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uh you will also be discussing the

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Integrity of investigators and

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researchers across the Paranormal and

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the conspiracy field

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there'll also be some great paranormal

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footage shown from the aforementioned

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documentary so please give your usual

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what Supreme welcome to Mr Kieran

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hello hello

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um thank you for coming

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um I know you said that I was a northern

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UK but I'm as middling as you can get

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rid of you guys it is Northern I guess

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um I mean I'm from the Black Country so

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if you can't understand what I'm saying

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just

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help me to repeat it slowly

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um so yeah I was here three years ago or

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so so

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um a lot has happened since then in the

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world and there was a huge part of that

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time where we couldn't get out and

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investigate the Paranormal of course

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um though as much as I tried we just

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couldn't do it so what I've done to

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tonight is

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um

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I've tried I've Amalgamated two

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presentations really because there was

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that period where we were allowed out of

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our houses for a bit and I did go out

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and do some presentations and I missed

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you guys with that so I tried to put

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some of that in tonight

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um as well as some of the new stuff as

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well so for the first half we're really

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just going to talk about the

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um the theory side of what the

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Paranormal could possibly be and I've

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got no answers so if you all expected

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answers sorry they're just furious we

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just we just fear always over what the

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Paranormal could be

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um but yeah if anyone has any questions

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please just throw your hand up and ask

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because I know that you hate it

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um you know you get a question it gets

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to the end and you forgot what you were

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going to say so just throw your hand up

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and I'm happy to answer Whatever

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Whenever so just a little bit about

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myself just to expand on what was just

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mentioned there I've been investigating

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the Paranormal now for probably about 10

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to 12 years and as I've

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kind of carried on this journey as I

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mentioned the last time I was here it

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all kicked up when I had a really up

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close UFO encounter and that snowballed

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um some synchronicities and it got to a

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point where I just couldn't ignore where

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this thing was pushing me and I've

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always been a UFO nut like I I asked me

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anything about UFOs dates people books I

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know it all

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strangely when it comes to the

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Paranormal and ghosts I don't really

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watch the mainstream stuff so when

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people say do you know this medium do

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you watch this show and I don't really I

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just kind of keep myself to myself where

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that's concerned so it's quite strange

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that this is where I've been pushed

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um so yeah UFOs was always my passion as

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was conspiracy theories and when you

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when you begin to look at that and you

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begin to notice the nature of reality is

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a big thing

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I began to think well how could the

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nature of reality fit into the

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Paranormal side of the things and the

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ghost way of looking at it and of course

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it fits in very well and once you look

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at that and you acknowledge that there's

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a possibility that the nature of reality

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plays a part in the spirit world as

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people would call it

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um it opens up a lot more possibilities

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as to what we're dealing with as opposed

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to being rigid in your thought process

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and just thinking that ghosts are dead

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people which we'll discuss a little

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I've already made this mistake about

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three times since I started talking to

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you and that's referring to to ghosts

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just the Paranormal but actually what is

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the Paranormal

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um so it's easy to forget that the

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Paranormal is um is everything that's

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outside of the normal so even UFOs is

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you know technically paranormal

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Bigfoot is paranormal

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but you know we're kind of falling into

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the Trap where we just refer to ghosts

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and spirits as paranormal but it is so

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so there's anything outside of the

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socially accepted normal and as I've

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just mentioned UFOs aliens Cryptids

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ghosts and much more but are they

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connected

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um I I genuinely think they are uh

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before I go any further as anyone in

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here being on a ghost

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it's pretty good

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because like one person who half puts

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the hand up

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um and what what do you guys think about

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it are you do you enjoy going with the

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big groups do you enjoy

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shout out yeah

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I was so hot and lonely I went out and

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bought all the professional hundreds of

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homes with a ghost and equipment so I

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just sit there and look

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she's talking to me

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my digital recorder today can I please

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post on the EVP said Court sure

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I was interesting you've seen not a lot

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happening my house used to be a pub okay

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um and I investigated I'm still cleaning

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places like Swansea market right The

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Grand Theater they're all back 600

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rights and really interesting places and

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I caught some

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genuine stuff I feel I grew up your

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okay we'll crack all right so I may have

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did anyone see come and see me last time

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I was here

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before he came here as they were doing

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was it just me with someone on that

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table and the Spirit Box said it wasn't

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just you but my brother had died four

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days before and I was like is that my

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brother I said Ryan Steve and it was

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like he's safe and I've had eight pints

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of those Point don't boost them to tears

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but some of the stuff it was saying back

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was unbelievable to the point I hate in

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welcoming at the end going someone's

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pulling my leg

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even wow that was a weird Spirit Box

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session except

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and that's what piqued my interest it

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did and that's what I all do all the

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stuff doing lockdown and

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okay well I don't Advocate drinking

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eight points before you go go something

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I have eight pints and I need a little

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sorts of stuff it was pipes not Spirits

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um so for those that haven't seen me I

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brought this kind of diagram last time

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that I was here but this is just a brief

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explanation of what of what we're

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looking at when we when we view the

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world and perceive the world

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so this is the electromagnetic spectrum

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and we have

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um the light spectrum along the bottom

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and what we can view in we call visible

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light and that is the little

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um rainbow color you can see there at

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the bottom so that equates to they used

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to think 0.05 of the light spectrum but

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recent studies think it's actually a lot

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less they now think it's 0.035 of the

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light spectrum so that's what we can

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perceive so if you think practically

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of this room we can't perceive right now

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because it's outside of our perceptive

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range it's either side of that rainbow

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so what what does that mean that opens

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up so many possibilities with what we're

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dealing with here when we talk about

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paranormal

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um of course we've now got tools and

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pieces of equipment that enables us to

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see outside of that band with and that's

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we have um infrared cameras so thermal

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imaging cameras that can pick up warm or

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cold areas we have ultraviolet torches

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which is quite an interesting tool so

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ultraviolet torches are quite good but

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don't use them in your kitchen when you

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just told you what if you have cleaned

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because it will just show up all the

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stains and she'll you know she'll have

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you cleaning for hours but ultraviolet

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torches are quite good because we've

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used those and we've picked up a lot of

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Shadows in a room

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um caught against the backdrop of an

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UltraViolet touch and when we've

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switched to a normal touch we can no

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longer see the shadows and when we

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switch back to ultraviolet the Shadows

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are there again and that's quite

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interesting and that tells us that these

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things are operating within the

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ultraviolet Spectrum

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and we wouldn't normally see them with

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so when you think about this 0.035 of

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the world that we can see there must be

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worlds upon worlds Realms within Realms

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existing around us that we just can't

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but as we always say seeing is believing

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how many times do you get the sense that

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there's something near you or behind you

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and then you can't see it and then you

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dismiss it because you can't see it well

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that that's wrong you know just because

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you can't see it doesn't necessarily

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mean it's not there and your own senses

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are picking it up people often ask what

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do you investigate in the dark or at

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night and it's not because ghosts only

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come out at night it's because in the

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dark you ever senses heightened so you

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you begin to pick up more on how you

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feel even on how you smell and the smell

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is quite an important thing in this

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because a lot of people dismiss smells

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when it comes to hauntings but it can

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play a part

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um but you know we often look in the

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daylight we can't see it so we dismiss

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it and we shouldn't we should always

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rely on our River senses as well but you

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know we have animals that can see

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outside of the range that we consume so

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we we have cats

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um how often do you have a pet that just

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sits in the corner of the room and

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stares off into the distance and then

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starts growling or you know kind of

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crying and then runs up we used to have

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it all the time we had a dog that would

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sleep in the kitchen and regularly would

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come out sit in the doorway growl for

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about 10 minutes into the kitchen and

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then go back in and go to sleep but we

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never knew what it was until one night

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and that was the night where there was

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my brother myself and my dad and we were

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all watching much of the day and it was

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years ago West Ronald so it must have

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been years ago when they were in the

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Premier League and we saw this ball of

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light to come through the curtains now

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what interestingly was a ball it wasn't

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a flat kind of light that you would get

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if you shun a torch on the wall it was a

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3D ball about the size of a football and

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it came through the curtains at about

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six foot dropped to the floor about two

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or three inches off the floor and then

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proceeded to go into the kitchen at

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which point the dog ran out we're all

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sat looking at the thing thinking have

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we just really seen this the dog starts

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growling into the kitchen for about 10

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minutes we can't see anything in the

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kitchen and then eventually it goes back

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to sleep and we have to wonder then is

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that does that happen every night and we

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just happen to have seen it at that

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point

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and that's interesting because why did

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you see that night and not any other

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night so again if you think about that

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spectrum that we that we've just been

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looking at have you ever had a car radio

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that's messed up and you listen to two

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songs at the same time and then it fixes

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itself and you'll go back to just

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listening to your station so if you're

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listening to radio one

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firstly you've got bad music taste but

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secondly it doesn't mean that radio 2

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doesn't exist it's still there but

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you're just not tuning into it with your

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radio or in in this instance your brain

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as soon as you change the dial and start

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tuning into Radio 2

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you pick that station up and you no

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longer pick up radio one it's still

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there the waves are still there you're

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just not tuning into it anymore and that

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instance in your car where it picks up

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both at the same time and then fixes

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itself I think that's what's happening

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in our brain when we witness a

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paranormal experience and we see a UFO

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or we see a ghost or a Bigfoot or

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whatever so how many people will say

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that Bigfoot walked behind the tree but

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didn't come out the other side you hear

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them all the time you hear about UFOs

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just disappearing in front of your eyes

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of ghosts just Vanishing right in front

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of you I don't think they've vanished

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and I do think that Bigfoot came out the

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other side what's happened is your radio

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has fixed itself and you can no longer

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tune into that particular frequency

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psychics and mediums might have the

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ability to listen to two radio stations

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at once and that's why they can tune

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into these these different frequencies

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um to give another example

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particular block of flats we're all

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living in this block of flats but we're

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all on different levels so we're living

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on one level and we have ghosts above us

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we have aliens below us we have Cryptids

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on the top floor and you know they're

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there because they're you hear them

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shuffling the furniture around at night

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they might play their music too loud but

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you can't interact with them you might

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catch a glimpse of them in the in the

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lift as you're walking down the corridor

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but that's it ultimately you're on

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different levels and I think that's

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what's going on here and when we think

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about our bodies and how we are

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essentially trapped within a five sense

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reality as you could see via that

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Spectrum just

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what's stopping us from being able to

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flick between all these frequency ranges

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ultimately it's our body and once our

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Consciousness once this biological

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vessel dies our Consciousness is free to

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travel all of the frequencies but we'll

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get a little bit into that as we um as

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so the theories on on ghosts and spirits

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so I'm just going to talk about a couple

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and I've got some really good examples

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of some time slick theories

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um and then we'll kind of just delve

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further and further into it as we go

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so Stone type theory is anyone aware of

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what that is

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yep okay

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so Henry H price he was a Welsh

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philosopher who also wrote about

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parapsychology he had a theory he

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referred to as the psychic ether he

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believed that there was a realm where

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all thoughts and memories were stored

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this realm could be seen by those such

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as psychics where they had access to the

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memories

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could rely them back to the living world

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so Stone type theory is essentially what

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it sounds it's a tape recording and you

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know when you see you might see you'll

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hear about a ghost experience where the

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fingers walked through the wall or it's

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kind of going about to stay in business

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and doesn't pay any attention to you or

388
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you're observing it people say that

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that's the stone tape Theory and play

390
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and that's essentially this ghost just

391
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going about their daily business if you

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lived in a house for 40 50 years and you

393
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would wake up in the morning you'd go

394
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downstairs you'd make your coffee you'd

395
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go upstairs you'd get ready and then

396
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you'd go to work doing that for 40 50

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years is going to imprint some kind of

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memory on the fabric of the building so

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this Theory goes you might walk into a

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room and get an instant oh I don't want

401
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this room and then you find out that it

402
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was a murder in there or something and

403
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that's the the emotions in that room

404
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imprinting themselves on the fabric of

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the building or on the fabric of the

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earth and what happens then is those

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feelings and those emotions play back

408
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and people can observe them through

409
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seeing and experiencing what was

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happening at the time

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other researchers then began to expand

412
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on this and some began to theorize that

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the memories were actually stored in

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fields of energy that were sometimes

415
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seen by the living in what we understand

416
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as a paranormal experience

417
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researchers in modern times see the

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stone tape Theory also known as a

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residual haunting because it lives there

420
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it's just going over and over again

421
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as activity that seems to repeat itself

422
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over and over as if on a loop if the

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entity ignores its surroundings and the

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people observing the activity it seem to

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be because they're simply a recording

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and take that as being rewound and

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played time and time again so it's

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interesting there that we we see these

429
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kind of thoughts being you know thought

430
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about back in the late 1800s early 1900s

431
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but it's almost how they look at it they

432
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talk about memories being stored within

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fields of energy like the modern iCloud

434
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or you know we saw our documents they

435
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thought that memories were stored up in

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this field of energy and this is

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fascinating when I came across this kind

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of stuff I'd already I was already

439
00:17:03,410 --> 00:17:01,740
halfway down my kind of research Road

440
00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:03,420
and to see people

441
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thinking along the same lines as myself

442
00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:08,400
was quite quite good to see and quite

443
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interesting

444
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um so yeah so that's essentially a stone

445
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type theory if you've got any questions

446
00:17:17,630 --> 00:17:16,380
or thoughts on Stone tape theories has

447
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anyone ever witnessed what they might

448
00:17:24,110 --> 00:17:20,040
believe to be a stone type Theory

449
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yeah yeah what happened well I went to a

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family dinner up in the Midlands and

451
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beat up in the sort of Cheshire area

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step out of the car

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and I was in a very

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1600s version of the street I was in I

455
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literally just got out and I got out of

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the car from my dad's car

457
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stepped out and suddenly I was just in

458
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the 1600s watching Civil War soldiers

459
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returning to the castle to the fall

460
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and I felt immediately

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sick drained

462
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you know scared I felt all this sorrow

463
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all their pain everything just washed

464
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straight through me the smell of the

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horse pulling the floor the the blood

466
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coming off these people as they were

467
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literally were walking through me yeah I

468
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was just stood in the middle of the

469
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motor to go left or right because there

470
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were just too many people

471
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um you know the paper wasn't there it

472
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was just road to building that was it

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everything around me is ancient old

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buildings

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I think we're just gonna straight up

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straight at me straight at me and I just

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couldn't go anywhere left and go right

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and I dropped my knees by this point my

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my mom and dad like rushed around the

480
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car to find out what had happened to me

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so they weren't seeing because they was

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on the floor but I was just nearly

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vomping on the floor

484
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looking up at these people and shopping

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horror on their face you know they're

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tired exhausted like 30 percent of them

487
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and yeah people with like little space

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in and just bad bandaging and stuff

489
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and it lasted they they sort of called

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me up off my onto my feet and would try

491
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to shake me to say it wasn't about a

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seven way it doesn't matter it must have

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lasted about five minutes and I just

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snatched through the other way and I was

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back in the street again all the

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feelings are washed away and back to

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normal I felt great and we went into

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dinner

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that um that sounds more like a time

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slip

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um which we'll we'll discuss next it was

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the fact that I just put my feet on the

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ground yeah

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as soon as I touch the floor

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I just felt the energy of the whole

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place just change yeah oh it was just

507
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my body like that yeah

508
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you know sounds like a normal Night Out

509
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in Cheshire to be fair but

510
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um yeah yeah

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um so Time Slips so

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um I think what you've just described

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though is a perfect example of a time

514
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slip to be honest and I've got a couple

515
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of examples and you might see the the

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correlation there

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um so many people have purported to have

518
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time travels will be briefly an

519
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encountered Times Gone by some

520
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encounters are brief with the experience

521
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of encountering one or two people who

522
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seem to be dressed in Period clothing

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just going about their day for

524
00:20:04,430 --> 00:20:02,280
encounters have seen an entire Street

525
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transport back in time with the vehicles

526
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on the roads being replaced with horses

527
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and carts the Shop's changing and the

528
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people and fashion changing too which is

529
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quite similar to what you had Britain

530
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has many reported timeships but the most

531
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common is Bold Street in Liverpool so

532
00:20:20,690 --> 00:20:18,419
more times literally encountered there

533
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than anywhere else in Britain now

534
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:22,020
there's an interesting thing about time

535
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Stitch because it never seems to happen

536
00:20:30,289 --> 00:20:27,480
forwards we never seem to have a time

537
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slip into the future and I do wonder why

538
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that could be

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um you're going to tell me you have

540
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great was he like The Jetsons

541
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um

542
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[Music]

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and it was it was beautiful he'll tell

544
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people okay and there's all that the

545
00:21:07,730 --> 00:21:04,440
humanity had find themselves into

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Chinese tiny spaces where they live

547
00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:12,770
but with very little food we're going

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for intimate no matter interaction with

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each other and it was like a form of

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factual reality because their heads were

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connected together

552
00:21:32,750 --> 00:21:30,000
so they were collected not specifically

553
00:21:36,730 --> 00:21:32,760
the mentally and they live their lives

554
00:21:41,450 --> 00:21:40,010
sounds like the um the agenda 2030 that

555
00:21:43,130 --> 00:21:41,460
the um want to put us on into these

556
00:21:47,450 --> 00:21:43,140
little schools and confine us a little

557
00:21:52,130 --> 00:21:49,730
well that probably is the future to be

558
00:21:52,140 --> 00:22:10,310
yes

559
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,750
before

560
00:22:22,750 --> 00:22:17,990
I've been interested

561
00:22:28,730 --> 00:22:27,110
and I saw this coming in with some

562
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,740
like I said

563
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,240
okay beautiful

564
00:22:33,770 --> 00:22:32,159
and I haven't really seem to experience

565
00:22:36,730 --> 00:22:33,780
your career

566
00:22:40,750 --> 00:22:36,740
so when I have the report done

567
00:22:45,250 --> 00:22:40,760
she's recognized learn how to motivated

568
00:22:50,510 --> 00:22:45,260
gift that oriented to spends on YouTube

569
00:22:54,049 --> 00:22:50,520
so it goes in different ways but

570
00:23:00,049 --> 00:22:57,669
for the you know Friend Mission

571
00:23:04,370 --> 00:23:00,059
and I actually spoke to some people

572
00:23:09,770 --> 00:23:06,710
about two months ago

573
00:23:11,890 --> 00:23:09,780
because she she didn't even know she is

574
00:23:16,370 --> 00:23:11,900
a new law

575
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,350
she into Michelle

576
00:23:28,810 --> 00:23:20,240
she describes

577
00:23:33,049 --> 00:23:31,430
yeah yeah which is which is interesting

578
00:23:34,909 --> 00:23:33,059
because ultimately

579
00:23:37,250 --> 00:23:34,919
um I'll get on to it but like time isn't

580
00:23:39,409 --> 00:23:37,260
linear so so everything that's ever

581
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,419
happened is happening and will happen

582
00:23:43,610 --> 00:23:41,520
it's all happening now

583
00:23:45,470 --> 00:23:43,620
um so we've already done this a million

584
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:45,480
times and we've already done tomorrow a

585
00:23:48,529 --> 00:23:46,799
million times

586
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:48,539
um and and one of the reasons I believe

587
00:23:55,010 --> 00:23:51,360
that we don't get many if I say many now

588
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:55,020
many future Time Slips is because people

589
00:24:00,049 --> 00:23:58,080
have often stuck in the linear time

590
00:24:02,090 --> 00:24:00,059
and what they what they tend to do is

591
00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:02,100
they they only know what they've

592
00:24:06,770 --> 00:24:04,260
experienced they aren't aware of what

593
00:24:08,690 --> 00:24:06,780
they're going to experience so when they

594
00:24:10,669 --> 00:24:08,700
have Time Slips as I'll get onto a

595
00:24:13,130 --> 00:24:10,679
little bit later about how I how I think

596
00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:13,140
the Paranormal comes about

597
00:24:18,289 --> 00:24:14,940
when they're manufacturing their own

598
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,299
time slip they can only go by what they

599
00:24:22,730 --> 00:24:20,880
know so therefore they the only thing

600
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,740
they can imprint on their time slip is

601
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:24,480
the pass because that's all they know

602
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:27,360
they've not been into the future yet

603
00:24:34,970 --> 00:24:46,210
[Music]

604
00:24:51,289 --> 00:24:49,430
straight away it had moved so I went

605
00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:51,299
over and looked until well has it been

606
00:24:57,169 --> 00:24:53,940
moved by somebody so I had to look at

607
00:25:00,289 --> 00:24:57,179
the ground where it had been moved from

608
00:25:03,169 --> 00:25:00,299
nothing it was understood and I swear to

609
00:25:05,870 --> 00:25:03,179
you that storm had moved and it was

610
00:25:07,250 --> 00:25:05,880
surrounded by another other Souls so he

611
00:25:09,770 --> 00:25:07,260
loved as though it was some kind of like

612
00:25:13,010 --> 00:25:09,780
retro place whether it actually be

613
00:25:16,010 --> 00:25:13,020
placed from one section to another and I

614
00:25:18,770 --> 00:25:16,020
said at the time to friends let's move

615
00:25:21,289 --> 00:25:18,780
but also the motorways I've noticed when

616
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,299
I'm going down the motorway it changes

617
00:25:26,029 --> 00:25:23,760
in C it's like as if everything was

618
00:25:28,010 --> 00:25:26,039
moved and I'm sure a lot of people have

619
00:25:31,700 --> 00:25:28,020
experienced that also but that

620
00:25:33,130 --> 00:25:31,710
particular storm through me

621
00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:33,140
[Music]

622
00:25:37,130 --> 00:25:35,700
I think like deja vu could play a part

623
00:25:38,690 --> 00:25:37,140
into this as well where you've kind of

624
00:25:41,149 --> 00:25:38,700
already experienced what you're having

625
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:41,159
at the time well I always think that is

626
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,720
it what we're seeing or what he was

627
00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:44,400
explaining or are there multiple

628
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:46,500
versions of ourselves on different

629
00:25:53,149 --> 00:25:49,520
timelines and we have an experience

630
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:53,159
so interestingly as mentioned I do a

631
00:25:58,250 --> 00:25:54,840
podcast and I interviewed the guy once

632
00:26:00,049 --> 00:25:58,260
and he um he went to bed about nine

633
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:00,059
o'clock in the evening to read his book

634
00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:02,159
and he heard a clamor going on in his

635
00:26:07,070 --> 00:26:05,340
bathroom so he thought thinking there's

636
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:07,080
a burglar or something so he gets out of

637
00:26:13,070 --> 00:26:10,320
bed creeps to the bathroom just pushes

638
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,080
the door slightly ajar and realizes that

639
00:26:18,289 --> 00:26:15,600
it's himself cleaning his teeth

640
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:18,299
and he can see himself cleaning his

641
00:26:22,090 --> 00:26:21,120
teeth in his own house

642
00:26:25,490 --> 00:26:22,100
um

643
00:26:27,529 --> 00:26:25,500
that was his experience so again what's

644
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:27,539
happened there is two timelines have

645
00:26:32,990 --> 00:26:30,240
merged and he's seeing himself but

646
00:26:35,810 --> 00:26:33,000
whether I couldn't quite get out of him

647
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,820
whether he because he you know cleaning

648
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:37,200
your teeth is cleaning your teeth so he

649
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:38,640
I don't know if he could tell whether it

650
00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:41,760
was a past or a future experience

651
00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:43,559
um so you know

652
00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:46,500
um so there's an example here of a time

653
00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:49,320
slip on Bold streets so the tale goes

654
00:26:52,430 --> 00:26:50,820
that 19 year old Sean had been

655
00:26:54,110 --> 00:26:52,440
shoplifting in the area now there's no

656
00:26:56,029 --> 00:26:54,120
correlate I don't there's no correlation

657
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:56,039
in Liverpool and shoplifting it's just

658
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:57,600
so happens that that's what's going on

659
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,320
here

660
00:27:03,169 --> 00:27:00,960
a security guard notes him and he

661
00:27:04,669 --> 00:27:03,179
approached Sean Sean then ran down the

662
00:27:06,049 --> 00:27:04,679
other way in an attempt to shake off the

663
00:27:08,269 --> 00:27:06,059
guard but he found it was a dead end

664
00:27:10,130 --> 00:27:08,279
turning around he expected to see the

665
00:27:12,289 --> 00:27:10,140
guards stood right behind him but the

666
00:27:14,510 --> 00:27:12,299
security guard was nowhere to be seen so

667
00:27:16,130 --> 00:27:14,520
he walked back out into the street and

668
00:27:18,350 --> 00:27:16,140
realized that the road had changed

669
00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:18,360
entirely from the mere minutes previous

670
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:20,340
where he was running down it

671
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,620
people were dressed strangely cars were

672
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:24,960
peculiarly outdated and the road Works

673
00:27:28,610 --> 00:27:26,640
which Sean had just seen moments earlier

674
00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:28,620
were gone he attempted to use his phone

675
00:27:33,169 --> 00:27:31,080
only to learn there was no service the

676
00:27:34,730 --> 00:27:33,179
young man was by now holy bewildered as

677
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,740
to what was happening and he tried to

678
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,720
piece it all together he stumbled to a

679
00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:38,880
kiosk where he saw the date on the

680
00:27:47,570 --> 00:27:43,500
newspaper was 18th of May 1967.

681
00:27:53,390 --> 00:27:50,930
somehow we've done about 39 years

682
00:27:55,010 --> 00:27:53,400
in a complete Panic he began to run but

683
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:55,020
as he did he could just make out that

684
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,640
the streets of his hometown were now

685
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,799
beginning to form some kind of semblance

686
00:28:03,649 --> 00:28:00,960
and he stopped and looked around at the

687
00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:03,659
now modern day Street yet when he'd run

688
00:28:08,210 --> 00:28:05,640
all the old-fashioned Street was there

689
00:28:10,669 --> 00:28:08,220
and now now they're done so he jumped on

690
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:10,679
a bus and made a Quick Escape home now

691
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:13,200
can we trust the shoplifter story

692
00:28:16,610 --> 00:28:15,840
it sounds like the best excuse ever you

693
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:16,620
know

694
00:28:21,470 --> 00:28:19,440
um to get out of be caught shoplifting

695
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:21,480
um but interestingly the um the guard

696
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,220
mentioned that when he was chasing Sean

697
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:25,679
down into that dead end alley

698
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:29,039
um he visibly witnessed Sean vanish Into

699
00:28:32,990 --> 00:28:31,440
Thin Air

700
00:28:34,190 --> 00:28:33,000
um and then of course the Sean turned

701
00:28:37,010 --> 00:28:34,200
around

702
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,020
um so did the security guard

703
00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:39,120
um he sold his story many times and he's

704
00:28:43,850 --> 00:28:41,460
remained consistent and the security

705
00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:43,860
guard has validated it as well so it's

706
00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:45,480
quite an interesting story though does

707
00:28:49,070 --> 00:28:46,740
anyone used to watch a program called

708
00:28:50,930 --> 00:28:49,080
good night sweetheart with Nicholas

709
00:28:54,049 --> 00:28:50,940
Lindhurst it sounds quite similar to

710
00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:54,059
that but it brings in the question of

711
00:28:57,230 --> 00:28:55,320
when you're witnessing a ghost

712
00:28:59,930 --> 00:28:57,240
experience and they vanish

713
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:59,940
are we not just having a time slip so

714
00:29:04,669 --> 00:29:01,919
there's a blurred line now between just

715
00:29:11,870 --> 00:29:04,679
looking at a ghost and having the time

716
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:13,730
um I'll try and read this kind of cuts

717
00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:14,640
off a little bit but I'll try and read

718
00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:16,380
it as best I can so this is a the second

719
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:17,580
example

720
00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:19,919
so 10 years previous to that experience

721
00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:22,860
Frank and Carol a couple were out for a

722
00:29:27,169 --> 00:29:25,020
day shopping in Liverpool they decided

723
00:29:29,930 --> 00:29:27,179
that Carol wanted to go to a Bookshop

724
00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:29,940
they were held up though when uh Frank

725
00:29:33,889 --> 00:29:31,620
popped into an old friend and the player

726
00:29:36,110 --> 00:29:33,899
got chatting Carol went on ahead she

727
00:29:37,970 --> 00:29:36,120
went to the bookstore by herself finally

728
00:29:39,649 --> 00:29:37,980
Franks I bought his friend and decided

729
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,659
to travel to bowl Street

730
00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:41,760
to try and find his wife he was

731
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,320
surprised to see that the Bookshop had

732
00:29:48,049 --> 00:29:45,600
now changed its name to Crips with the

733
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:48,059
new name displayed above the dog it soon

734
00:29:51,230 --> 00:29:49,440
became clear that the store was no

735
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:51,240
longer a Bookshop but a women's Boutique

736
00:29:54,769 --> 00:29:53,760
with clothings and Handbags adorning the

737
00:29:56,750 --> 00:29:54,779
window

738
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,760
before he went in he had a van passing

739
00:30:01,610 --> 00:29:59,039
who signed and shed tardins on the side

740
00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:01,620
the van gave out an old-fashioned Beak

741
00:30:06,049 --> 00:30:03,720
from its horn as it proceeded up the

742
00:30:07,549 --> 00:30:06,059
road upon looking closer Frank soon

743
00:30:09,889 --> 00:30:07,559
noticed that all the cars that were

744
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,899
going past him looked like him from the

745
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,520
1950s

746
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,679
he's beginning to feel on edge when a

747
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:16,080
woman in modern clothing also approached

748
00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:17,520
the front of the show

749
00:30:22,970 --> 00:30:20,520
she looked at Frank a bit confused she

750
00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:22,980
looked at the shop front a bit confused

751
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,380
but they both entered Crips together but

752
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,360
once they got in it was now back to

753
00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:29,039
being a Bookshop again

754
00:30:34,190 --> 00:30:31,620
we've got a ladies handbag inside

755
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:34,200
the woman appeared puzzled remarking to

756
00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:36,000
Frank that she thought it was some kind

757
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:37,980
of new women saw before turning around

758
00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:40,320
and leaving the shop it should be noted

759
00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:41,940
that Frank is a retired police officer

760
00:30:45,889 --> 00:30:43,860
not a man to give rise to tales of the

761
00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:45,899
Paranormal but there seems to be very

762
00:30:50,510 --> 00:30:47,700
little explanation for this

763
00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:50,520
it also turns out that Crips was a store

764
00:30:55,070 --> 00:30:52,620
on that same spot in Ball Street many

765
00:30:57,169 --> 00:30:55,080
years previously and similarly the name

766
00:30:59,090 --> 00:30:57,179
that was on the side of the van was a

767
00:31:01,570 --> 00:30:59,100
thriving business in Liverpool at one

768
00:31:04,130 --> 00:31:01,580
time yet the company had long gone by

769
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,140
1996. so this is an interesting

770
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,720
experience because he also has someone

771
00:31:12,289 --> 00:31:08,640
else completely unrelated to him

772
00:31:14,930 --> 00:31:12,299
experiencing it as well so to both kind

773
00:31:17,930 --> 00:31:14,940
of be sharing this experience of a time

774
00:31:19,970 --> 00:31:17,940
slip is strange so as I've just said

775
00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:19,980
where does it where does the line kind

776
00:31:25,070 --> 00:31:22,860
of blur between a ghost experience and

777
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,080
time slipped because we often would

778
00:31:28,909 --> 00:31:27,120
think a timeship would be like you had

779
00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:28,919
to wear the whole scenery has changed

780
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:31,020
and you're kind of almost stood in a

781
00:31:34,130 --> 00:31:32,159
movie scene with everything going on

782
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:34,140
around you yet where you think a ghost

783
00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:35,880
experience will just be watching one

784
00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:38,220
soldier walk up the road but what's the

785
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:40,200
difference this could just be different

786
00:31:46,130 --> 00:31:42,960
variations of Time Slips

787
00:31:47,930 --> 00:31:46,140
any thoughts on Time Slips any comments

788
00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:47,940
yeah

789
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:51,480
because when my father passed away I

790
00:31:55,789 --> 00:31:54,720
would walk down from from his house to

791
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:55,799
my house

792
00:32:00,529 --> 00:31:59,039
and I saw it differently because my my I

793
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,539
was different people

794
00:32:05,210 --> 00:32:03,120
it was a lot when you passed when you

795
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:05,220
passing and then after it and just saw

796
00:32:10,130 --> 00:32:07,260
like the same way but it was different

797
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:10,140
everything up different so it's like the

798
00:32:14,029 --> 00:32:11,640
frequency role

799
00:32:16,909 --> 00:32:14,039
as what you see at the time although

800
00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:16,919
I use a dream I I grabbed that uh

801
00:32:21,529 --> 00:32:19,260
legionized disease my heart because that

802
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:21,539
was a test the music the two good one

803
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,480
was yeah but things are happening but it

804
00:32:28,610 --> 00:32:26,640
was definitely what would you do yeah

805
00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:28,620
it's like the frequency amount before

806
00:32:32,570 --> 00:32:30,600
should we use different to what I saw

807
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,580
when it wasn't yeah I'm talking on the

808
00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:35,279
same street yeah I think you're right so

809
00:32:39,230 --> 00:32:37,620
how many times do we feel

810
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:39,240
um you know you'll listen to a

811
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,559
particular Song and all of a sudden it

812
00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:42,720
makes you happy or you listen to a song

813
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:44,340
and it makes you sad

814
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:47,760
um so music is frequency when everything

815
00:32:52,610 --> 00:32:50,700
is frequency everything is vibration and

816
00:32:54,289 --> 00:32:52,620
I think what we do is we tune into these

817
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:54,299
frequencies and what we which I'll get

818
00:32:57,769 --> 00:32:55,740
on to a little bit later but what we put

819
00:32:59,090 --> 00:32:57,779
out is what we get back if I'm going to

820
00:33:01,549 --> 00:32:59,100
wake up tomorrow and be a miserable

821
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,559
bastard the day is going to be awful

822
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:03,600
because I've chosen to perceive the day

823
00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:06,480
from a miserable perspective if I get up

824
00:33:09,169 --> 00:33:07,860
tomorrow and think you know the rain's

825
00:33:10,430 --> 00:33:09,179
not going to bother me my three-year-old

826
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:10,440
screaming in my face isn't going to

827
00:33:13,549 --> 00:33:11,760
bother me and I'm just going to get on

828
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:13,559
with my day everything's going to be

829
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,600
great and the slightest inconvenience

830
00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:17,760
won't bother me whereas in the other

831
00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:19,320
perception the slightest inconvenience

832
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,480
can become the worst thing so everything

833
00:33:25,330 --> 00:33:24,000
in life is a matter of perception and I

834
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:25,340
think that is

835
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:28,320
Changed by frequencies now people often

836
00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:30,360
say to me slightly off topic but

837
00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:32,100
crystals how do how can crystals

838
00:33:36,529 --> 00:33:34,440
possibly work well I think crystals can

839
00:33:37,789 --> 00:33:36,539
work because of frequencies so they're

840
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:37,799
obviously emitting a particular

841
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,559
frequency and if you are tuning into

842
00:33:43,789 --> 00:33:42,000
that frequency you might feel

843
00:33:45,889 --> 00:33:43,799
particularly drawn to that that

844
00:33:47,389 --> 00:33:45,899
particular Crystal and I think that's

845
00:33:49,789 --> 00:33:47,399
what happens with music and everything

846
00:33:52,370 --> 00:33:49,799
that happens and interestingly they

847
00:33:55,009 --> 00:33:52,380
change to the frequency of Music

848
00:33:56,690 --> 00:33:55,019
um 30 40 years ago and it's no longer

849
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:56,700
the same frequency that it was back in

850
00:34:00,110 --> 00:33:58,320
the 50s and 60s

851
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:00,120
and people think that they've done that

852
00:34:05,149 --> 00:34:02,159
it's been done on purpose

853
00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:05,159
um there's a video isn't it kindergarten

854
00:34:10,129 --> 00:34:07,260
cop

855
00:34:11,869 --> 00:34:10,139
Schwarzenegger

856
00:34:14,030 --> 00:34:11,879
you want they don't say it's

857
00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:14,040
kindergarten half now and you can't find

858
00:34:17,869 --> 00:34:16,080
out will it anywhere it's kindergarten

859
00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:17,879
which is obviously due so you're talking

860
00:34:24,290 --> 00:34:21,060
about the Mandela effect now yeah

861
00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:24,300
yeah well I mean I I had a friend who

862
00:34:29,149 --> 00:34:26,700
had the um the DVD of Interview with a

863
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,159
Vampire and then it's now Interview with

864
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:31,200
the Vampire and he was like no no I've

865
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,879
got the DVDs Interview with a Vampire

866
00:34:36,169 --> 00:34:34,800
and he showed me the DVD it was

867
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:36,179
interviewed with the vampires what were

868
00:34:39,409 --> 00:34:37,520
you wrong

869
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:39,419
I don't know that's a completely

870
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,800
different presentation I might have to

871
00:34:45,490 --> 00:34:42,960
come back for that one Emily

872
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:45,500
foreign

873
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:48,480
Okay so

874
00:34:55,310 --> 00:34:51,919
what if we're actually creating our own

875
00:34:57,050 --> 00:34:55,320
paranormal experiences

876
00:34:59,570 --> 00:34:57,060
what if

877
00:35:01,490 --> 00:34:59,580
um what we see and what we perceive and

878
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:01,500
what we get back is all appear in our

879
00:35:04,730 --> 00:35:03,720
minds so this is where we're going to go

880
00:35:06,530 --> 00:35:04,740
a little bit down the route of

881
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:06,540
Consciousness and the holographic

882
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,520
universe and things like that I just

883
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,839
want you to bear in mind that this is a

884
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,040
theory

885
00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:13,200
I I believe that stone type Theory

886
00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:14,700
exists I believe they could potentially

887
00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:16,680
all exist side by side but we're just

888
00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:19,260
theorizing here we're just just hear me

889
00:35:23,930 --> 00:35:21,300
out another say this is really the first

890
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:23,940
time I've spoke about this in in public

891
00:35:28,010 --> 00:35:26,040
so

892
00:35:29,870 --> 00:35:28,020
The more I've investigated the

893
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:29,880
Paranormal The more I've began to

894
00:35:33,950 --> 00:35:31,920
realize that people

895
00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:33,960
are in certain positions in their life

896
00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:35,160
whenever they're having these

897
00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:37,500
experiences as you've just pointed out

898
00:35:43,790 --> 00:35:39,960
yourself and I think what's happening is

899
00:35:46,849 --> 00:35:43,800
they're putting out subconsciously and

900
00:35:49,370 --> 00:35:46,859
they're getting back physically

901
00:35:52,250 --> 00:35:49,380
now if you think about the Virgin Mary

902
00:35:54,770 --> 00:35:52,260
she only ever appears to people who

903
00:35:56,569 --> 00:35:54,780
believe in the Virgin Mary I've never

904
00:35:58,609 --> 00:35:56,579
seen her but she only ever appears to

905
00:35:59,630 --> 00:35:58,619
those that believe in her same with

906
00:36:01,609 --> 00:35:59,640
Bigfoot if you want to go and Hunt

907
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,619
Bigfoot you'll find Bigfoot if you want

908
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,839
to go and see a ghost you'll see a ghost

909
00:36:06,589 --> 00:36:05,280
whether you actually have or not you'll

910
00:36:08,210 --> 00:36:06,599
believe that you have experienced a

911
00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:08,220
ghost in Captain

912
00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:09,660
so what I think is happening is people

913
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,599
are manifesting their own well I already

914
00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:14,160
believe that we're manifesting our own

915
00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:16,500
reality we are creating our own reality

916
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:19,800
the universe exists in here

917
00:36:22,690 --> 00:36:20,640
um

918
00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:22,700
that can go into a whole other

919
00:36:25,849 --> 00:36:24,839
conversation but we'll just try and keep

920
00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:25,859
it in light

921
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:27,480
now if you're manifesting your own

922
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:29,760
reality it goes just it stands to say

923
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:31,500
that we're manifesting our own

924
00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:33,000
paranormal experiences within that

925
00:36:36,589 --> 00:36:34,920
reality now the house that I

926
00:36:38,690 --> 00:36:36,599
investigated in Essex that we made this

927
00:36:40,609 --> 00:36:38,700
documentary for

928
00:36:43,849 --> 00:36:40,619
um every time they have something going

929
00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:43,859
on negative The Haunting kicks off again

930
00:36:46,670 --> 00:36:45,420
now we'll get into a bit later because

931
00:36:49,010 --> 00:36:46,680
I've got some evidence from that house

932
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,020
but just to put it into perspective at

933
00:36:52,190 --> 00:36:50,640
the time I started to investigate their

934
00:36:54,770 --> 00:36:52,200
house they had two eight-year-old

935
00:36:57,170 --> 00:36:54,780
autistic twins they had two teenage

936
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:57,180
girls going through through puberty and

937
00:37:01,370 --> 00:36:59,040
all that kind of thing they had

938
00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:01,380
arguments regularly between mum and dad

939
00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:04,140
it wasn't a nice environment to be and

940
00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:06,300
that was the height of the haunting

941
00:37:11,089 --> 00:37:08,940
they then had um the one daughter had a

942
00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:11,099
baby and The Haunting stopped for about

943
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,380
six months

944
00:37:17,150 --> 00:37:15,599
why I think it's because they were

945
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:17,160
focused on this bundle of joy that's

946
00:37:20,030 --> 00:37:18,480
just coming to the world and they

947
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:20,040
weren't they weren't fighting they

948
00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:22,079
weren't arguing all of a sudden the

949
00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:24,420
parents of that baby have a very nasty

950
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:26,339
split the other teenage daughter's dad

951
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:29,280
kills himself and we're back into

952
00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:31,440
negativity and lo and behold the

953
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:33,000
haunting starts again

954
00:37:38,050 --> 00:37:35,940
and there's really a lot to be said when

955
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,060
you look into paranormal

956
00:37:42,650 --> 00:37:40,560
experiences of haunted houses and things

957
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,660
like that how often do they contain

958
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:44,640
people that are going through a really

959
00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:46,380
tough time

960
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,660
all a really good time it's these

961
00:37:53,329 --> 00:37:50,640
Elations of emotions that are causing

962
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:53,339
these paranormal experiences you look at

963
00:37:56,210 --> 00:37:54,960
the Enfield haunting one of the most

964
00:37:58,490 --> 00:37:56,220
famous hauntings that happened in

965
00:38:00,109 --> 00:37:58,500
Britain and that that contained two

966
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,119
girls that were kind of going through

967
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:02,400
that that change in life as they were

968
00:38:06,770 --> 00:38:05,099
approaching the teenage years was it the

969
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:06,780
hormones was it that kind of thing that

970
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:10,320
was creating this energy what was the

971
00:38:13,130 --> 00:38:11,760
Enfield haunting a load of rubbish I

972
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,140
don't know

973
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:15,839
so just to kind of put this into a

974
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:22,069
so Collective Consciousness so this is

975
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:24,240
my take on what we spoke what we spoke

976
00:38:27,250 --> 00:38:25,680
of earlier

977
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:27,260
um where Henry price was talking about

978
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:31,440
the energy being stored in a cloud so to

979
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,280
speak

980
00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:34,320
so Collective Consciousness is all of us

981
00:38:40,910 --> 00:38:37,380
so I am all of you and all of you are me

982
00:38:42,530 --> 00:38:40,920
and we are everything there ever is and

983
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:42,540
was and will be

984
00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:45,599
and that's our consciousness

985
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:47,940
unfortunately it's currently contained

986
00:38:52,609 --> 00:38:50,400
and imprisoned in this five cent reality

987
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:52,619
in this biological vessel

988
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,440
once the biological vessel dies the

989
00:38:59,870 --> 00:38:57,839
collective our Consciousness will rejoin

990
00:39:01,730 --> 00:38:59,880
the collective Consciousness that is the

991
00:39:03,950 --> 00:39:01,740
universe ultimately

992
00:39:04,970 --> 00:39:03,960
now that Collective Consciousness is

993
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:04,980
everything

994
00:39:10,130 --> 00:39:08,520
it is you it is me it is that table if

995
00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:10,140
you wanted to really break it down it's

996
00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:11,940
if you ever watched Avatar it's kind of

997
00:39:15,650 --> 00:39:13,980
like that where everything is connected

998
00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:15,660
it's very similar

999
00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:19,260
so what happens is we absorb from the

1000
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,820
collective Consciousness our

1001
00:39:25,010 --> 00:39:23,280
subconscious wants and needs your mum

1002
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:25,020
has just died and you really want to see

1003
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:26,940
her again we have people come and go

1004
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:28,260
since

1005
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:29,760
um in fact what a close friend of mine

1006
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,160
his wife's brother

1007
00:39:36,349 --> 00:39:34,320
um hung himself he'd never shown any

1008
00:39:38,569 --> 00:39:36,359
interest in the Paranormal all of a

1009
00:39:40,750 --> 00:39:38,579
sudden she's wanted to come on all the

1010
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:40,760
investigations with us it's obvious why

1011
00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:44,820
so she thinks that a tunnel 40 miles

1012
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,619
away from their house she's gonna find

1013
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:49,200
her brother there and you know what she

1014
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,220
did

1015
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:52,560
and when we went 60 miles away to an

1016
00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:55,260
abandoned Mill she found her brother she

1017
00:39:59,450 --> 00:39:57,000
always found her brother wherever we

1018
00:40:00,890 --> 00:39:59,460
went nobody else had that experience but

1019
00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:00,900
who's to say that she's wrong who's to

1020
00:40:04,910 --> 00:40:02,700
say that she's lying

1021
00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:04,920
um she always found her brother

1022
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,800
so we absorb our wants and needs from

1023
00:40:12,829 --> 00:40:09,839
the collective Consciousness we have

1024
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:12,839
that paranormal experience so we see our

1025
00:40:18,530 --> 00:40:15,660
dead brother or our mum or our dog

1026
00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:18,540
and then we um we then tune back into

1027
00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:20,520
the collective Consciousness and that's

1028
00:40:24,650 --> 00:40:22,260
what enables us to have this paranormal

1029
00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:24,660
experience now people might say well if

1030
00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:27,420
that's the case how can I see my mom at

1031
00:40:31,490 --> 00:40:29,160
the bottom of my bed and she talks to me

1032
00:40:32,510 --> 00:40:31,500
and she knows everything about me you

1033
00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:32,520
know but you hear about these

1034
00:40:36,050 --> 00:40:34,440
experiences when they've had full-blown

1035
00:40:37,970 --> 00:40:36,060
conversations with a dead relative long

1036
00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:37,980
after they've died and you think well

1037
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:39,780
how did that person know who I was if

1038
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:40,680
it's just

1039
00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:44,880
that I'm tuning into well that's simple

1040
00:40:48,829 --> 00:40:47,220
because that form of energy that

1041
00:40:51,530 --> 00:40:48,839
frequency that you're tuning into is

1042
00:40:53,569 --> 00:40:51,540
consciousness so it was your mum it was

1043
00:40:56,569 --> 00:40:53,579
also my mum it was also everybody else's

1044
00:40:59,089 --> 00:40:56,579
mum so it knows everything about you it

1045
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,099
knows everything about your mum

1046
00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:01,440
but at the same time you're putting that

1047
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,660
picture onto that energy so you're

1048
00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:05,280
tuning that energy and you're

1049
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:07,560
manifesting it in so it looks like your

1050
00:41:10,609 --> 00:41:08,640
butt

1051
00:41:12,650 --> 00:41:10,619
otherwise it's just a point of attention

1052
00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:12,660
now everything that we look at in the

1053
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,000
universe is a point of attention so we

1054
00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:17,280
can all see this screen because that's a

1055
00:41:20,990 --> 00:41:18,900
bunch of atoms emitting the frequency

1056
00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:21,000
and our brain is using our role is to

1057
00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:22,859
tune into that frequency and we're

1058
00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:24,900
decoding it so that we can now see that

1059
00:41:29,150 --> 00:41:27,240
screen just like if you go home and log

1060
00:41:31,849 --> 00:41:29,160
on to Facebook I go home and log on to

1061
00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:31,859
Facebook 130 miles past we're both

1062
00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:33,540
looking at the same screen

1063
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:35,460
how we're doing that while we're tuning

1064
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:37,500
into the same frequency and we do that

1065
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,060
with our mind

1066
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,280
now people will say

1067
00:41:44,690 --> 00:41:42,960
um they'll see a color differently they

1068
00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:44,700
can't see green they might see it as red

1069
00:41:49,370 --> 00:41:46,740
or they might see it as gray so who's

1070
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,380
right or who's wrong if you can't see a

1071
00:41:53,089 --> 00:41:51,119
particular color correctly in my

1072
00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:53,099
universe it's red in your Universe it

1073
00:41:57,710 --> 00:41:55,020
might be great but that's how you're

1074
00:41:59,089 --> 00:41:57,720
perceiving that point of attention and

1075
00:42:01,730 --> 00:41:59,099
that's what happens when we have these

1076
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:01,740
experiences we're manifesting our own

1077
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,079
experiences if you want to find Bigfoot

1078
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:06,480
you will now I genuinely believe that

1079
00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:08,760
the Bigfoot experiences the UFO

1080
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:10,440
experiences the ghost experiences

1081
00:42:16,490 --> 00:42:12,000
they're all the same

1082
00:42:19,089 --> 00:42:16,500
they're all just points of frequency

1083
00:42:22,190 --> 00:42:19,099
points of energy that we're tuning into

1084
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:22,200
and manifesting our own beliefs onto and

1085
00:42:26,270 --> 00:42:23,760
we get back what we want from those

1086
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:26,280
beliefs or that energy that we're

1087
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:27,359
putting out there if you're thinking

1088
00:42:31,010 --> 00:42:29,700
about that negative aspect

1089
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:31,020
are there any questions about that

1090
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:37,010
I always believe and I do believe that

1091
00:42:42,410 --> 00:42:38,760
it's about the need and it's about the

1092
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,420
comfort and if we are engaging on energy

1093
00:42:48,109 --> 00:42:45,359
and eclectic consciousness

1094
00:42:49,849 --> 00:42:48,119
if if you went abroad

1095
00:42:51,290 --> 00:42:49,859
and you were coming home I'd come and

1096
00:42:53,329 --> 00:42:51,300
meet you at the airport

1097
00:42:56,089 --> 00:42:53,339
so therefore if somebody is missing a

1098
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,099
loved one and our loved one is able to

1099
00:43:00,589 --> 00:42:58,560
conceive that hurt that pain which is

1100
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,599
personal I don't believe that they're

1101
00:43:05,089 --> 00:43:02,640
actually manifesting it from their mind

1102
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:05,099
because that would be mental illness

1103
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:07,020
it's got to be that they're connected in

1104
00:43:11,410 --> 00:43:10,020
some way in order to stop the Earth to

1105
00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:11,420
stop the pain and to bring the cancer

1106
00:43:16,210 --> 00:43:14,040
that's your own subconscious mind so

1107
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,220
you've watched a film where you've um

1108
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,720
you know gets to the end of film and you

1109
00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:19,920
realize that they're actually living in

1110
00:43:24,050 --> 00:43:21,480
a mental Asylum and the whole film has

1111
00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:24,060
been them making up a story in their

1112
00:43:28,010 --> 00:43:26,760
minds to I don't know to get over the

1113
00:43:30,530 --> 00:43:28,020
guilt of what they've done or something

1114
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,540
I think that's what's happening so you

1115
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:32,400
really want to see this like so Anna

1116
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,599
really wanted to see her dead brother

1117
00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:36,000
and she saw him every time she came with

1118
00:43:40,730 --> 00:43:38,760
us every time I don't think but I don't

1119
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:40,740
think that's her brother

1120
00:43:45,770 --> 00:43:43,500
thinking Anna needs Anna needs to see me

1121
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:45,780
so I'm gonna go and see her I think

1122
00:43:51,230 --> 00:43:48,720
that's her really wanting to see all the

1123
00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:51,240
way around because I forget for me we

1124
00:44:01,450 --> 00:43:54,060
create our own reality so we're we're

1125
00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:03,370
yeah

1126
00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:06,180
that's not everybody's thoughts no no no

1127
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:07,380
that's what I'm saying it's all the

1128
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:14,030
I'm a medium so I work and give

1129
00:44:17,089 --> 00:44:15,839
communication to people I've lost loved

1130
00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:17,099
ones

1131
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:19,800
um and people always come and they

1132
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,119
always want you to love a bunch of

1133
00:44:27,730 --> 00:44:23,280
friends those people they've lost and I

1134
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,010
it's not guaranteed that person is going

1135
00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:33,359
to come through so even though people

1136
00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:36,180
come want dead validation want to

1137
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:37,980
improve

1138
00:44:42,829 --> 00:44:40,560
they don't get it all the time it only

1139
00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:42,839
comes from when they give evidence it's

1140
00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:44,819
not coming from myself it comes from

1141
00:44:48,050 --> 00:44:46,440
another source and then I give

1142
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,060
information to people that I've never

1143
00:44:52,910 --> 00:44:50,880
met before never met their family but

1144
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,920
only relates to them

1145
00:44:56,510 --> 00:44:54,720
so I would say that you're tuning into

1146
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:56,520
that Collective Consciousness and

1147
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:58,680
pulling out what they want and you're

1148
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,960
that person that can listen to two radio

1149
00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:02,880
stations at the same time and continue

1150
00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:04,680
so when we think about what a ghost is

1151
00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:07,020
just really quickly for the Break

1152
00:45:10,609 --> 00:45:08,700
um people always think that another

1153
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:10,619
theory of what a ghost is it's a dead

1154
00:45:15,650 --> 00:45:13,200
person so we always have this this is

1155
00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:15,660
the biggest widest held belief within

1156
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:19,140
the world that a ghost is a dead person

1157
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,300
um so why would a ghost or a dead person

1158
00:45:25,309 --> 00:45:23,520
choose to haunt a tunnel in a field in

1159
00:45:27,230 --> 00:45:25,319
the middle of nowhere you know there's a

1160
00:45:29,390 --> 00:45:27,240
ghost in that tunnel why is he just

1161
00:45:30,530 --> 00:45:29,400
choosing to stay in that tunnel not near

1162
00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:30,540
anybody

1163
00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:32,760
residual energy it could be residual it

1164
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,920
could be residual energy but if we if we

1165
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:36,720
accept that we we're just Consciousness

1166
00:45:42,290 --> 00:45:40,079
that can you know that's everything why

1167
00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:42,300
would he just choose to be there so you

1168
00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:43,980
know people go on Spirit boards Ouija

1169
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:46,440
boards and they'll that um it doesn't

1170
00:45:50,210 --> 00:45:48,000
matter they'll talk to a monk from the

1171
00:45:50,990 --> 00:45:50,220
10th century and the monks talking in

1172
00:45:52,910 --> 00:45:51,000
English

1173
00:45:54,530 --> 00:45:52,920
they think well how the monk would be

1174
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,540
talking in Latin or French or something

1175
00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:56,400
like that or you know it's a

1176
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:57,900
four-year-old who can spell its name

1177
00:46:01,010 --> 00:45:59,760
perfectly from the 1600s there were

1178
00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:01,020
grown men that couldn't spell the name

1179
00:46:05,569 --> 00:46:04,140
in the 1600s how is it doing it so you

1180
00:46:07,250 --> 00:46:05,579
can either accept that well it's a load

1181
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,260
of rubbish and I'm not talking to a monk

1182
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,599
from the 16th century or if it's

1183
00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:11,520
Collective Consciousness you can you can

1184
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,460
talk however it wants to it can it knows

1185
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,800
how to talk the modern language but then

1186
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:18,240
why would it perceive itself to be a

1187
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:29,690
possibly

1188
00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:35,569
experiences through my life a continuous

1189
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,260
from as I'm talking about because of

1190
00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:39,359
that spirit board I used to do it by

1191
00:46:44,930 --> 00:46:40,920
myself as a child I didn't even know

1192
00:46:47,690 --> 00:46:44,940
what it was but I made it for myself

1193
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,700
um I thought I was talking to somebody I

1194
00:46:51,890 --> 00:46:49,440
thought was my friend

1195
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:51,900
um I'm the new child

1196
00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:55,680
I'm I'm 9 10 maybe

1197
00:47:00,410 --> 00:46:58,980
um and it might have been over a period

1198
00:47:02,809 --> 00:47:00,420
of time this person will let me leave I

1199
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,819
wanted to talk to me all the time

1200
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,560
um then

1201
00:47:08,030 --> 00:47:06,000
um things that happened to me at glass

1202
00:47:10,609 --> 00:47:08,040
and saw that many different things so my

1203
00:47:13,849 --> 00:47:10,619
mom didn't understand these two very old

1204
00:47:15,470 --> 00:47:13,859
please and hope Cole

1205
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,480
um who said I didn't even say the

1206
00:47:19,010 --> 00:47:17,040
person's name to say to the name of the

1207
00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:19,020
person as soon as I walk through the

1208
00:47:23,809 --> 00:47:22,560
door and that I have brought them out it

1209
00:47:26,750 --> 00:47:23,819
was very good

1210
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:26,760
so it's now how would they know about

1211
00:47:31,790 --> 00:47:29,760
they never met me before and I had I'm

1212
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,800
doing that naively by myself they didn't

1213
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,359
know what I was dealing with as a child

1214
00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:36,240
I bought it up for myself

1215
00:47:41,329 --> 00:47:39,240
yeah yeah it's interesting the more I do

1216
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:41,339
these talks the more I hear different

1217
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:43,079
people's ideas and different people's

1218
00:47:49,250 --> 00:47:46,020
experiences

1219
00:47:50,690 --> 00:47:49,260
of course yeah yeah yeah yeah I've got a

1220
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:50,700
lot of experiences on Spirit boards I

1221
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:52,319
could talk about just don't have the

1222
00:47:58,970 --> 00:47:55,920
time what why not I only purely because

1223
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,980
of my experiences that a lot of people

1224
00:48:03,710 --> 00:48:01,200
will use them but they don't understand

1225
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:03,720
the same as curiosity event is good

1226
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,480
there's not so good and it's the same in

1227
00:48:10,370 --> 00:48:08,640
all Dimensions but it's good there's not

1228
00:48:13,309 --> 00:48:10,380
so good and if you don't know what

1229
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,319
you're doing properly you can manifest

1230
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,839
and bring things into your life that can

1231
00:48:21,530 --> 00:48:17,520
affect you could you not do that without

1232
00:48:28,010 --> 00:48:23,930
cut but again because I have your speed

1233
00:48:29,089 --> 00:48:28,020
against things and myself so I know

1234
00:48:32,450 --> 00:48:29,099
things

1235
00:48:35,150 --> 00:48:32,460
I think

1236
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,160
people are vulnerable and they watch Hot

1237
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,720
they watch horror films they take this

1238
00:48:40,550 --> 00:48:38,640
is all and it's all great their souls

1239
00:48:42,349 --> 00:48:40,560
investors is all very fun

1240
00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:42,359
but it's not because these things can

1241
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,560
happen from doing things yeah yeah

1242
00:48:51,230 --> 00:48:48,960
um so as mentioned we'll be touching in

1243
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:51,240
the second half about

1244
00:48:54,650 --> 00:48:52,319
um

1245
00:48:57,710 --> 00:48:54,660
the validity of

1246
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:57,720
um certain mainstream investigators and

1247
00:49:01,670 --> 00:49:00,240
TV shows and things like that and then

1248
00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:01,680
we'll be looking at some evidence as

1249
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:03,420
well so

1250
00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:06,060
um we're all I assume here

1251
00:49:12,589 --> 00:49:08,940
um into UFOs predominantly

1252
00:49:14,569 --> 00:49:12,599
um now the split in the UFO field is is

1253
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,579
massive any there's always been that

1254
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,800
kind of divide and politics and

1255
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,960
arguments and a lot of people believe

1256
00:49:22,609 --> 00:49:20,640
that they're inter-dimensional a lot of

1257
00:49:24,589 --> 00:49:22,619
people believe that their nuts and bolts

1258
00:49:26,690 --> 00:49:24,599
craft physical craft from physical

1259
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:26,700
planets and some people believe it could

1260
00:49:32,930 --> 00:49:29,599
be both and that divides people and

1261
00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:32,940
unfortunately as we are as a human race

1262
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,339
we can't accept other people's points of

1263
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,440
view we can't accept that what they're

1264
00:49:41,930 --> 00:49:39,599
saying is a possibility and therefore we

1265
00:49:44,450 --> 00:49:41,940
must depend what we're saying and we

1266
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:44,460
mistake our claim and we fight to the

1267
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:47,520
deaf to defend our own Theory

1268
00:49:50,569 --> 00:49:48,960
um so I'm just going to be talking a

1269
00:49:53,690 --> 00:49:50,579
little bit about that

1270
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,700
so trigger warning so this day and age

1271
00:49:56,569 --> 00:49:55,200
people often get triggered by the most

1272
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:56,579
sensitive things so I have to put that

1273
00:50:01,490 --> 00:49:59,760
up as a disclaimer so uh you might all

1274
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:01,500
have your favorite conspiracy theorist

1275
00:50:06,050 --> 00:50:03,359
podcast host or you might have your

1276
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:06,060
favorite ufologist or paranormal

1277
00:50:10,370 --> 00:50:07,920
researcher or something

1278
00:50:12,589 --> 00:50:10,380
um but do you ever stop to think about

1279
00:50:15,290 --> 00:50:12,599
what they talk about why do they talk

1280
00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:15,300
about it how do they talk about it and

1281
00:50:19,790 --> 00:50:16,920
do you ever start to think that what

1282
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:19,800
they're saying might not be right and

1283
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,760
you know I'm open to to anybody people

1284
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:25,200
pointing out their own fears and

1285
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:26,880
experiences to me and take it on board

1286
00:50:30,829 --> 00:50:29,760
all the time I don't just miss anything

1287
00:50:32,809 --> 00:50:30,839
um

1288
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:32,819
now when you look at these kind of

1289
00:50:37,010 --> 00:50:34,319
people that you know and I'm talking

1290
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:37,020
about the the your big guys

1291
00:50:40,010 --> 00:50:38,400
um and I'm not gonna name names because

1292
00:50:42,589 --> 00:50:40,020
we all know who the some of these people

1293
00:50:44,569 --> 00:50:42,599
are across all of the fields these are

1294
00:50:46,490 --> 00:50:44,579
like just what I call the Circuit man

1295
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:46,500
the people that do the big circuits they

1296
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,180
go and do the big conferences the big

1297
00:50:53,210 --> 00:50:50,880
talks the TV shows the talking heads on

1298
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:53,220
the shows and things like that

1299
00:50:57,770 --> 00:50:56,160
um now they will all put across their

1300
00:50:59,569 --> 00:50:57,780
own theories they will all put across

1301
00:51:01,250 --> 00:50:59,579
their own with their own evidence and

1302
00:51:03,290 --> 00:51:01,260
you know their own thoughts on what

1303
00:51:06,049 --> 00:51:03,300
whatever field they're investigated at

1304
00:51:08,270 --> 00:51:06,059
the time be that UFOs or the Paranormal

1305
00:51:10,609 --> 00:51:08,280
or whatever now it's it's important to

1306
00:51:13,010 --> 00:51:10,619
remember that there's there are problems

1307
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:13,020
with theories and fear is they're not

1308
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,280
setting Stone so a lot of theories are

1309
00:51:22,250 --> 00:51:20,160
um people's beliefs that people's

1310
00:51:24,829 --> 00:51:22,260
experiences that are shaping them to see

1311
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:24,839
and perceive in that way I've spoken to

1312
00:51:28,609 --> 00:51:26,280
someone during the break actually that

1313
00:51:30,890 --> 00:51:28,619
essentially life is just one big

1314
00:51:32,809 --> 00:51:30,900
perception and depending on how you've

1315
00:51:34,910 --> 00:51:32,819
lived your life you will have a

1316
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,920
different perception to the person next

1317
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:36,960
to you and that doesn't mean that that

1318
00:51:40,370 --> 00:51:38,400
person's wrong it just means that

1319
00:51:41,809 --> 00:51:40,380
they've had a different experience you

1320
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:41,819
know we're all here having you know

1321
00:51:45,890 --> 00:51:44,400
playing the game of life and we all have

1322
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:45,900
different experiences and that is what

1323
00:51:49,609 --> 00:51:48,119
shapes our perception and we always need

1324
00:51:51,950 --> 00:51:49,619
to keep that in mind when we're thinking

1325
00:51:52,730 --> 00:51:51,960
about theories and why certain people

1326
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:52,740
hold

1327
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:55,920
beliefs but a theory isn't set in stone

1328
00:52:00,589 --> 00:51:58,319
so the evidence should always guide the

1329
00:52:03,410 --> 00:52:00,599
theory and not the other way around

1330
00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:03,420
so how often do we see people who will

1331
00:52:07,790 --> 00:52:05,700
have a theory and they will defend it to

1332
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:07,800
the death and you know I've seen it

1333
00:52:11,870 --> 00:52:10,079
myself in the Paranormal world where

1334
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:11,880
fellow investigators have caught

1335
00:52:16,910 --> 00:52:15,119
evidence that might just not really fit

1336
00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:16,920
the agenda that they're trying to push

1337
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:19,500
so they dismiss the evidence

1338
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,020
and I think if that was similar evidence

1339
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,480
that was promoting their own Theory they

1340
00:52:28,370 --> 00:52:26,400
would have been all over it it would

1341
00:52:30,170 --> 00:52:28,380
have been shown to the world but they

1342
00:52:32,930 --> 00:52:30,180
dismiss it they delete it they hide it

1343
00:52:34,730 --> 00:52:32,940
because it doesn't push their own

1344
00:52:37,010 --> 00:52:34,740
beliefs it doesn't reinforce their own

1345
00:52:38,990 --> 00:52:37,020
beliefs and this happens to all of us it

1346
00:52:40,670 --> 00:52:39,000
happens not just in not just in this

1347
00:52:42,410 --> 00:52:40,680
world people watch the news and things

1348
00:52:44,930 --> 00:52:42,420
like that you know we we like to put

1349
00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:44,940
ourselves in Echo Chambers we like to

1350
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:46,140
live in Echo Chambers where we're

1351
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,280
surrounded by people that are

1352
00:52:51,309 --> 00:52:49,440
reinforcing our own beliefs that are

1353
00:52:53,809 --> 00:52:51,319
telling us that what we believe is right

1354
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:53,819
and we don't want to hear any

1355
00:52:56,990 --> 00:52:55,440
contradicting views because that

1356
00:52:58,910 --> 00:52:57,000
challenges our belief system and we

1357
00:53:00,770 --> 00:52:58,920
don't like that as a speaker issues we

1358
00:53:03,549 --> 00:53:00,780
don't like it at all

1359
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:03,559
so quite often

1360
00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:06,240
throughout this kind of 10 12 years I've

1361
00:53:10,670 --> 00:53:08,520
been doing this I started off as all

1362
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,680
ghosts of dead people and I've just

1363
00:53:13,849 --> 00:53:12,720
through my experiences I've slowly began

1364
00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:13,859
to

1365
00:53:17,569 --> 00:53:16,020
theorize and think well what else could

1366
00:53:19,069 --> 00:53:17,579
it be what's what's that experience

1367
00:53:21,470 --> 00:53:19,079
telling me what's this experience

1368
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:21,480
telling me and it shakes my perception

1369
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:23,460
your experiences will shape your

1370
00:53:26,990 --> 00:53:25,440
perception your experiences and your

1371
00:53:28,609 --> 00:53:27,000
experiences will shape your perception

1372
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:28,619
it doesn't mean that they're wrong

1373
00:53:33,530 --> 00:53:31,440
they're just your perception

1374
00:53:35,809 --> 00:53:33,540
a lot of researchers and investigators

1375
00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:35,819
will be so adamant of their theory that

1376
00:53:38,930 --> 00:53:37,260
they will cherry-pick evidence to back

1377
00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:38,940
it up whilst ignoring evidence that

1378
00:53:43,309 --> 00:53:40,260
discredits it that's what I've just said

1379
00:53:45,410 --> 00:53:43,319
it happens all the time morning you

1380
00:53:46,970 --> 00:53:45,420
probably believe I could see my Nadine

1381
00:53:48,049 --> 00:53:46,980
said he's obviously had experience of

1382
00:53:50,930 --> 00:53:48,059
that

1383
00:53:53,089 --> 00:53:50,940
um I had a I had a guy who um

1384
00:53:55,549 --> 00:53:53,099
he was he was a completely not a skeptic

1385
00:53:57,650 --> 00:53:55,559
did not believe in in the Paranormal

1386
00:54:00,829 --> 00:53:57,660
living UFOs he was just a very black and

1387
00:54:03,290 --> 00:54:00,839
white man and he uh I managed to get him

1388
00:54:04,730 --> 00:54:03,300
onto a ghost hunter once and we went to

1389
00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:04,740
a place called The Electric Club in

1390
00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:05,880
Wolverhampton

1391
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:07,980
and it's basically just like this it's a

1392
00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:10,559
social club but it had a really

1393
00:54:16,010 --> 00:54:13,260
um cool seller and the seller was quite

1394
00:54:18,049 --> 00:54:16,020
active for for experiences

1395
00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:18,059
and he went down there and he took a few

1396
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:21,240
snaps took a few photos and he caught in

1397
00:54:26,089 --> 00:54:24,000
my mind he caught three three bodies

1398
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:26,099
they looked like children sitting on the

1399
00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:28,440
back wall you could see their legs kind

1400
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,780
of bending over the wall

1401
00:54:34,670 --> 00:54:32,880
the two of the bodies were kind of you

1402
00:54:37,849 --> 00:54:34,680
could only make out half of the bodies

1403
00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:37,859
and one body was really prevalent he's

1404
00:54:45,410 --> 00:54:43,609
um I saw it because he took it on the

1405
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:45,420
night I've asked for it I've asked for

1406
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,160
it to be able to I would credit him to

1407
00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:49,200
showing the kind of things that I do but

1408
00:54:53,150 --> 00:54:51,240
he just will not share it and still

1409
00:54:56,030 --> 00:54:53,160
doesn't believe in ghosts

1410
00:54:59,450 --> 00:54:56,040
and and and that's fine that that's his

1411
00:55:00,890 --> 00:54:59,460
perception but really he has a theory

1412
00:55:02,450 --> 00:55:00,900
and his theory is that ghosts don't

1413
00:55:04,730 --> 00:55:02,460
exist and he's willing to dismiss

1414
00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:04,740
anything that proves otherwise because

1415
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,260
it will rock his belief system and he's

1416
00:55:11,809 --> 00:55:09,839
not he's not willing to accept that now

1417
00:55:14,089 --> 00:55:11,819
interestingly just a cool story about

1418
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,099
that seller so we're quite deep down

1419
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,040
it's uh there's no phone signal at all

1420
00:55:21,049 --> 00:55:19,200
but we always put our phones on what we

1421
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,059
call flight mode or Airplane Mode anyway

1422
00:55:25,250 --> 00:55:23,520
so you don't get phone calls so we're

1423
00:55:27,410 --> 00:55:25,260
down in the cellar and there's a lady

1424
00:55:28,970 --> 00:55:27,420
with us and her phone starts to ring

1425
00:55:31,010 --> 00:55:28,980
it's about half one quarter it's two in

1426
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:31,020
the morning and her phone starts to ring

1427
00:55:34,730 --> 00:55:32,640
and we think so the first thing I said

1428
00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:34,740
was you should have that on on flight

1429
00:55:39,530 --> 00:55:38,040
mode and she says it is and then well

1430
00:55:42,049 --> 00:55:39,540
actually we don't get a sequel down here

1431
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,059
as well so it really doubly shouldn't be

1432
00:55:47,390 --> 00:55:44,880
ring you and um so it round and round

1433
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,400
and round and she answered the phone and

1434
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,680
nothing so she hung up

1435
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:51,359
showed us all that it was on flight mode

1436
00:55:54,589 --> 00:55:52,920
and put the phone back in the packet

1437
00:55:56,569 --> 00:55:54,599
about a minute late which started

1438
00:55:57,530 --> 00:55:56,579
running again so she takes it out of the

1439
00:55:59,450 --> 00:55:57,540
packet

1440
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,460
um unknown number so she answers it

1441
00:56:03,470 --> 00:56:01,440
again now at this point the phone

1442
00:56:05,630 --> 00:56:03,480
automatically goes onto loudspeaker

1443
00:56:07,130 --> 00:56:05,640
which I don't know for you guys I've

1444
00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:07,140
never had that you always have to push a

1445
00:56:10,490 --> 00:56:09,000
button to put it onto loudspeaking it

1446
00:56:12,109 --> 00:56:10,500
automatically comes out to loudspeaker

1447
00:56:14,510 --> 00:56:12,119
with what sounded like for me a little

1448
00:56:16,450 --> 00:56:14,520
Bowie other people said a little girl in

1449
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:16,460
a really broad black country accent

1450
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:19,680
saying I really wanted you won't know

1451
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:21,839
a little a little challenge I really

1452
00:56:25,730 --> 00:56:23,760
want to go home now

1453
00:56:27,770 --> 00:56:25,740
um and then hung up it just went to

1454
00:56:29,210 --> 00:56:27,780
White Noise so we're like there's about

1455
00:56:31,970 --> 00:56:29,220
10 of us in the cellar and we're all

1456
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,980
thinking what's just happened and we did

1457
00:56:35,569 --> 00:56:33,839
some research on this place and it's in

1458
00:56:37,730 --> 00:56:35,579
a place called Chapel Ash which is an

1459
00:56:39,950 --> 00:56:37,740
area you remove rampton and the stones

1460
00:56:42,770 --> 00:56:39,960
throw away from the club is a big

1461
00:56:44,750 --> 00:56:42,780
brooding church and

1462
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:44,760
um supposedly that's where they buried a

1463
00:56:49,549 --> 00:56:47,040
lot of the bodies during the plague are

1464
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,559
all buried underground and underneath

1465
00:56:53,630 --> 00:56:51,359
the electric Club

1466
00:56:55,490 --> 00:56:53,640
um were Mass graves are families and

1467
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:55,500
children which would also explain the

1468
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:57,839
picture that that guy of course sitting

1469
00:57:01,490 --> 00:57:00,000
on the back wall as well of these three

1470
00:57:03,410 --> 00:57:01,500
children

1471
00:57:05,569 --> 00:57:03,420
um which we didn't know until we did

1472
00:57:08,030 --> 00:57:05,579
this research and then it all made sense

1473
00:57:10,670 --> 00:57:08,040
I try not to do research till after

1474
00:57:12,770 --> 00:57:10,680
we've visited a place so it doesn't kind

1475
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:12,780
of get in my mind and make me see things

1476
00:57:18,109 --> 00:57:15,839
that I wouldn't see just because

1477
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:18,119
I think so some people actually go as

1478
00:57:19,849 --> 00:57:19,200
far

1479
00:57:21,950 --> 00:57:19,859
um

1480
00:57:24,049 --> 00:57:21,960
as doing their best to discredit other

1481
00:57:26,329 --> 00:57:24,059
researchers work in theory so this is

1482
00:57:27,650 --> 00:57:26,339
going the extra mile now so you might

1483
00:57:29,089 --> 00:57:27,660
have all come across these kind of

1484
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:29,099
people maybe I don't know a show of

1485
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:31,200
hands if you've come across a researcher

1486
00:57:36,589 --> 00:57:33,599
that does his best to distract you so

1487
00:57:39,130 --> 00:57:36,599
not only are they you know really

1488
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:39,140
holding on to their own beliefs at the

1489
00:57:43,609 --> 00:57:42,240
you know kind of discrediting stuff that

1490
00:57:45,170 --> 00:57:43,619
that doesn't fit their own beliefs

1491
00:57:46,790 --> 00:57:45,180
that's bad enough but what makes it

1492
00:57:49,069 --> 00:57:46,800
worse is these people will then go the

1493
00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:49,079
extra mile and start to discredit other

1494
00:57:55,309 --> 00:57:52,260
people's beliefs and evidence physical

1495
00:57:56,930 --> 00:57:55,319
solid good evidence because it doesn't

1496
00:57:58,490 --> 00:57:56,940
fit with their narrative

1497
00:58:05,150 --> 00:57:58,500
why

1498
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:05,160
these career men that I spoke about you

1499
00:58:10,130 --> 00:58:06,960
know these these kind of

1500
00:58:11,569 --> 00:58:10,140
um circuit men why are they so desperate

1501
00:58:15,230 --> 00:58:11,579
to hold on to their own beliefs and

1502
00:58:17,630 --> 00:58:15,240
their own theories any ideas

1503
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:17,640
I fear of

1504
00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:25,549
yeah that's the point anyone else any

1505
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:27,420
other

1506
00:58:32,210 --> 00:58:30,480
there are egos yeah absolutely that's

1507
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:32,220
that's a valid point

1508
00:58:41,569 --> 00:58:39,349
relevance now these people they get paid

1509
00:58:44,089 --> 00:58:41,579
a lot of money they're talking heads on

1510
00:58:45,950 --> 00:58:44,099
ghost programs Ancient Aliens all these

1511
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,960
kind of programs they appear on all

1512
00:58:50,270 --> 00:58:47,280
these documentaries they sell their

1513
00:58:52,910 --> 00:58:50,280
books they go and do big talks you know

1514
00:58:56,030 --> 00:58:52,920
I mean talking to thousands of people at

1515
00:58:58,250 --> 00:58:56,040
a time it's a career they make a career

1516
00:59:00,170 --> 00:58:58,260
out of this and they

1517
00:59:02,809 --> 00:59:00,180
stake their claim they've stuck their

1518
00:59:03,890 --> 00:59:02,819
flag on amount and they're defending it

1519
00:59:07,490 --> 00:59:03,900
to the death

1520
00:59:10,609 --> 00:59:07,500
why well mainly because of relevance

1521
00:59:13,069 --> 00:59:10,619
if someone else's theory is proven true

1522
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:13,079
over theirs they're no longer relevant

1523
00:59:16,430 --> 00:59:14,880
they're not wanted at the shows they're

1524
00:59:18,770 --> 00:59:16,440
not wanted on the TV they're not wanted

1525
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,780
their books aren't being brought because

1526
00:59:22,849 --> 00:59:20,640
there's a new kid on the Block and they

1527
00:59:27,049 --> 00:59:22,859
can't have that happen they have to keep

1528
00:59:30,890 --> 00:59:29,270
so I put at the top it's a bit confusing

1529
00:59:33,230 --> 00:59:30,900
but everyone's an expert and everyone

1530
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:33,240
else knows nothing and this is how some

1531
00:59:36,589 --> 00:59:35,040
of these people come across you know I

1532
00:59:38,930 --> 00:59:36,599
know every and as I said at the start I

1533
00:59:40,970 --> 00:59:38,940
have no answers but these people they

1534
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:40,980
talk they write they present like if

1535
00:59:45,770 --> 00:59:43,440
that is the be-all and end-all you know

1536
00:59:48,049 --> 00:59:45,780
I've been to people uh talking about the

1537
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:48,059
Paranormal and they will tell me no this

1538
00:59:53,450 --> 00:59:50,220
is what a ghost is and I'm thinking well

1539
00:59:55,549 --> 00:59:53,460
you know until you've died and and being

1540
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:55,559
one like how do you know how do you know

1541
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,799
what what it is it's all theories

1542
01:00:03,049 --> 01:00:00,960
um and so they know everything and

1543
01:00:06,289 --> 01:00:03,059
everyone else knows nothing that's how

1544
01:00:10,130 --> 01:00:06,299
they appear so they it's relevance it's

1545
01:00:12,650 --> 01:00:10,140
popularity fame money and insecurity and

1546
01:00:16,190 --> 01:00:12,660
Egos and and that's really what these

1547
01:00:18,829 --> 01:00:16,200
people are doing now there are people

1548
01:00:21,470 --> 01:00:18,839
um there's a guy who used to work for

1549
01:00:24,530 --> 01:00:21,480
the mod I won't say his name and I've

1550
01:00:27,170 --> 01:00:24,540
seen this guy on programs that are

1551
01:00:29,329 --> 01:00:27,180
taking the piss out of UFOs and he

1552
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,339
appears on that program taking the piss

1553
01:00:32,690 --> 01:00:30,960
out of UFOs because they're paying them

1554
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:32,700
a bit of money and then I've seen him on

1555
01:00:35,210 --> 01:00:34,079
a program the next week where he's

1556
01:00:37,490 --> 01:00:35,220
telling you about how we used to

1557
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:37,500
investigate UFOs and they're real and

1558
01:00:41,329 --> 01:00:39,119
you think well it's just whoever's

1559
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:41,339
paying his money he will just go with

1560
01:00:44,809 --> 01:00:43,200
whoever's paying his money and that's

1561
01:00:47,450 --> 01:00:44,819
what happens with these people

1562
01:00:49,609 --> 01:00:47,460
and you'll have other people who will

1563
01:00:51,710 --> 01:00:49,619
just defend their Theory and they're the

1564
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:51,720
reasons why they do it and I guess the

1565
01:00:57,410 --> 01:00:54,240
point I'm making here is just be careful

1566
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:57,420
about who you listen to about who you

1567
01:01:00,650 --> 01:00:59,040
follow not just in the UFOs and the

1568
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:00,660
Paranormal and conspiracy world just in

1569
01:01:06,530 --> 01:01:03,839
general always think about if someone is

1570
01:01:07,970 --> 01:01:06,540
discrediting someone else why

1571
01:01:09,650 --> 01:01:07,980
you know if you look at that other

1572
01:01:12,770 --> 01:01:09,660
person look the problem we've got into

1573
01:01:14,930 --> 01:01:12,780
in this day and age is we we always

1574
01:01:16,849 --> 01:01:14,940
attack the person so

1575
01:01:20,210 --> 01:01:16,859
um to use quite a

1576
01:01:22,250 --> 01:01:20,220
um a famous person Katie Hopkins she's

1577
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:22,260
not everybody's cup of tea and people

1578
01:01:26,809 --> 01:01:24,720
people genuinely don't like her

1579
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:26,819
and that means when she says something

1580
01:01:29,870 --> 01:01:28,559
they might agree with they just dismiss

1581
01:01:31,789 --> 01:01:29,880
it because it's coming out of the mouth

1582
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:31,799
of Kate Hopkins but if it came out of

1583
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,119
the mouth of somebody else that they

1584
01:01:36,589 --> 01:01:35,040
liked they would listen to it and

1585
01:01:38,329 --> 01:01:36,599
worship it and say oh look he knows

1586
01:01:39,410 --> 01:01:38,339
everything he's great he is but because

1587
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:39,420
he's come out of the mouth of someone

1588
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:41,280
they just don't like they're not willing

1589
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:43,200
to listen to it and this is what we do

1590
01:01:46,970 --> 01:01:45,359
someone will provide evidence but

1591
01:01:50,930 --> 01:01:46,980
because we just don't like that person

1592
01:01:52,970 --> 01:01:50,940
might be he smells bad it might be he

1593
01:01:55,069 --> 01:01:52,980
dismissed something you liked it you

1594
01:01:56,690 --> 01:01:55,079
just don't like that person and he might

1595
01:01:58,970 --> 01:01:56,700
give you the best evidence in the world

1596
01:02:01,010 --> 01:01:58,980
and we will dismiss it

1597
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:01,020
and we'll just hang on to that one

1598
01:02:05,210 --> 01:02:03,359
person it's like football or rugby you

1599
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:05,220
know we've picked a team and we will

1600
01:02:08,329 --> 01:02:06,720
listen to that person and we will follow

1601
01:02:10,730 --> 01:02:08,339
that person it doesn't matter what they

1602
01:02:12,289 --> 01:02:10,740
say yeah if someone else is offering

1603
01:02:13,549 --> 01:02:12,299
great evidence no I know he's on the

1604
01:02:15,410 --> 01:02:13,559
other side he's on the other team we

1605
01:02:17,030 --> 01:02:15,420
can't listen to what he's saying and

1606
01:02:19,130 --> 01:02:17,040
that's what happens it happens in this

1607
01:02:22,130 --> 01:02:19,140
in this community in the UFO Community

1608
01:02:24,829 --> 01:02:22,140
it happens all the time and it happens

1609
01:02:27,950 --> 01:02:24,839
here in the ghost community

1610
01:02:31,609 --> 01:02:27,960
and for me it has to change

1611
01:02:33,950 --> 01:02:31,619
uh any thoughts on that any yes

1612
01:02:35,690 --> 01:02:33,960
you said those programs they are being

1613
01:02:37,069 --> 01:02:35,700
affect team of groups or something yes

1614
01:02:41,890 --> 01:02:37,079
so

1615
01:02:45,410 --> 01:02:41,900
investigations

1616
01:02:46,609 --> 01:02:45,420
and you're absolutely right so I got I

1617
01:02:49,789 --> 01:02:46,619
can tell a few stories about this guy

1618
01:02:51,730 --> 01:02:49,799
kind of keep a lot of the time so um me

1619
01:02:53,690 --> 01:02:51,740
and my wife got married in a

1620
01:02:55,609 --> 01:02:53,700
neither of us are religious so we got

1621
01:02:57,650 --> 01:02:55,619
married in a little uh Victorian house

1622
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:57,660
in a park and it's where a lot of people

1623
01:03:01,130 --> 01:02:59,520
go to have the photos taken so it was

1624
01:03:02,750 --> 01:03:01,140
great because we were already there

1625
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:02,760
so while we were walking around this

1626
01:03:07,490 --> 01:03:05,760
house I um just kind of you know looking

1627
01:03:10,370 --> 01:03:07,500
at it seeing if we wanted to get married

1628
01:03:12,170 --> 01:03:10,380
there I said to the lady did you go sits

1629
01:03:14,030 --> 01:03:12,180
here oh no

1630
01:03:15,710 --> 01:03:14,040
no no no no no we wouldn't dream of

1631
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:15,720
doing anything like that here not in a

1632
01:03:19,730 --> 01:03:18,480
million years I said okay fine so we put

1633
01:03:20,930 --> 01:03:19,740
the weight in and we got married a few

1634
01:03:23,030 --> 01:03:20,940
months later

1635
01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:23,040
we went on our honeymoon

1636
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:24,900
um the day after our wedding 10 days

1637
01:03:29,390 --> 01:03:27,839
came back turned the Telly on I thought

1638
01:03:31,309 --> 01:03:29,400
you know what just for a laugh I'm gonna

1639
01:03:33,910 --> 01:03:31,319
watch a bit of Most Wanted so I put most

1640
01:03:36,829 --> 01:03:33,920
Authority down and where were they

1641
01:03:38,210 --> 01:03:36,839
in the house I got married in now you

1642
01:03:40,069 --> 01:03:38,220
think about a program that has to be

1643
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:40,079
filmed edited and all that kind of stuff

1644
01:03:43,789 --> 01:03:42,240
so this would have been filmed months

1645
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:43,799
and months previous when I asked for

1646
01:03:48,849 --> 01:03:47,520
that question so what's the difference

1647
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:48,859
money

1648
01:03:55,609 --> 01:03:53,760
used to investigate the place regularly

1649
01:03:58,130 --> 01:03:55,619
I've got a bit of footage called Draco

1650
01:03:59,930 --> 01:03:58,140
tunnels which was a cold war nuclear

1651
01:04:02,809 --> 01:03:59,940
bunker Rover used to store their playing

1652
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:02,819
Parts down there in uh five miles of

1653
01:04:05,329 --> 01:04:04,319
tunnels about three four hundred feet

1654
01:04:07,250 --> 01:04:05,339
underground

1655
01:04:08,990 --> 01:04:07,260
a really cool place

1656
01:04:10,250 --> 01:04:09,000
we used to pay about 300 pounds to

1657
01:04:11,450 --> 01:04:10,260
investigate there which was great

1658
01:04:13,370 --> 01:04:11,460
because it meant that we could keep the

1659
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,380
costs really low for paying guests and

1660
01:04:17,210 --> 01:04:15,599
we could go as often as we wanted Most

1661
01:04:19,130 --> 01:04:17,220
Wanted didn't out there

1662
01:04:21,410 --> 01:04:19,140
and in fact one of the guys that was in

1663
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:21,420
on our team he got to go and kind of

1664
01:04:24,289 --> 01:04:23,280
show them around and he's got some

1665
01:04:26,450 --> 01:04:24,299
stories

1666
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:26,460
about people doing things behind the

1667
01:04:30,349 --> 01:04:27,839
camera

1668
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:30,359
um the week after they've been hadn't

1669
01:04:33,650 --> 01:04:31,920
been on telly yet they've been filmed

1670
01:04:36,589 --> 01:04:33,660
the week after we tried to book and it

1671
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:36,599
now cost over 800 pounds

1672
01:04:40,370 --> 01:04:39,119
simply because the people that kind of

1673
01:04:42,170 --> 01:04:40,380
owned the place well we could get some

1674
01:04:44,270 --> 01:04:42,180
money out of this and this is what's

1675
01:04:46,430 --> 01:04:44,280
happening and it trickles down from the

1676
01:04:47,870 --> 01:04:46,440
group from the TV shows down to groups

1677
01:04:50,210 --> 01:04:47,880
and we have these National groups now

1678
01:04:52,970 --> 01:04:50,220
that have essentially monopolized the uh

1679
01:04:55,549 --> 01:04:52,980
the country who uh Haunted Happenings is

1680
01:04:57,289 --> 01:04:55,559
is one of the bigger groups you've

1681
01:04:59,089 --> 01:04:57,299
probably all heard of them and they

1682
01:05:01,250 --> 01:04:59,099
charge 80 90 pounds to go on a ghost

1683
01:05:02,930 --> 01:05:01,260
since that that could probably cost you

1684
01:05:05,030 --> 01:05:02,940
30 pounds but they're just making a bit

1685
01:05:07,069 --> 01:05:05,040
of money out of it now they need you as

1686
01:05:08,510 --> 01:05:07,079
you say entertainment they need you to

1687
01:05:10,789 --> 01:05:08,520
be entertained because if you're not

1688
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,799
you're not going to go back and they're

1689
01:05:13,730 --> 01:05:12,480
not going to earn their money and that's

1690
01:05:15,650 --> 01:05:13,740
what it's all about it's all about the

1691
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:15,660
it's all about the relevance it's about

1692
01:05:19,970 --> 01:05:18,000
the fame the money so they need you to

1693
01:05:22,490 --> 01:05:19,980
go back so that you notice they always

1694
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:22,500
have that Resident medium with them that

1695
01:05:25,609 --> 01:05:23,760
make sure that you have a great night

1696
01:05:27,230 --> 01:05:25,619
feel feel whatever you want to feel

1697
01:05:28,849 --> 01:05:27,240
because that's when that's where you

1698
01:05:30,109 --> 01:05:28,859
walk away gosh fantastic that was I got

1699
01:05:31,250 --> 01:05:30,119
my 90 pounds worth if I'm gonna come

1700
01:05:33,289 --> 01:05:31,260
back I'm gonna tell a few friends we're

1701
01:05:35,089 --> 01:05:33,299
all going to go back if nothing happened

1702
01:05:36,770 --> 01:05:35,099
which nine times out of ten is the case

1703
01:05:38,569 --> 01:05:36,780
on The Ghost and you're going to walk

1704
01:05:40,910 --> 01:05:38,579
away thinking that's a bit I'm

1705
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:40,920
gonna bother going back there again they

1706
01:05:45,049 --> 01:05:43,200
need you to be entertained TV shows you

1707
01:05:47,569 --> 01:05:45,059
think about a TV show they're probably

1708
01:05:49,730 --> 01:05:47,579
there for 10 hours filming maybe a bit

1709
01:05:51,650 --> 01:05:49,740
longer when you watch it until it's a 45

1710
01:05:54,349 --> 01:05:51,660
minute program

1711
01:05:56,750 --> 01:05:54,359
take out the outbreaks 45 minutes you'll

1712
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:56,760
have 10 minutes or so of an introduction

1713
01:06:00,289 --> 01:05:58,799
you'll have 10 minutes at the end where

1714
01:06:02,210 --> 01:06:00,299
it's a bit of an outro so you've got

1715
01:06:03,770 --> 01:06:02,220
like 20 minutes or so in the bit in the

1716
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:03,780
Middle where it's just the investigation

1717
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:06,480
that's 10 hours investigating condensed

1718
01:06:10,730 --> 01:06:09,119
into 20 minutes so of course it's going

1719
01:06:12,650 --> 01:06:10,740
to seem action-packed because they've

1720
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:12,660
condensed 10 hours down into 20 minutes

1721
01:06:16,250 --> 01:06:14,160
but come on

1722
01:06:18,650 --> 01:06:16,260
you know you watch the american shows

1723
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:18,660
every house has a demon I've lived in

1724
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:20,400
like six houses in my life never come

1725
01:06:23,450 --> 01:06:21,839
across a demon

1726
01:06:25,370 --> 01:06:23,460
you know I had some bad neighbors but

1727
01:06:27,010 --> 01:06:25,380
never a demon

1728
01:06:44,750 --> 01:06:27,020
stration

1729
01:06:49,130 --> 01:06:46,549
but what I noticed on that destination

1730
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:49,140
fear which I've never seen before

1731
01:06:52,730 --> 01:06:50,880
they stick up on the thing and it said

1732
01:06:54,049 --> 01:06:52,740
the following Clips took place over a

1733
01:06:55,210 --> 01:06:54,059
three-hour period

1734
01:06:58,010 --> 01:06:55,220
right

1735
01:07:00,410 --> 01:06:58,020
got five five minutes worth of little

1736
01:07:02,029 --> 01:07:00,420
kids have they previously told you it

1737
01:07:05,450 --> 01:07:02,039
took them three hours to get that

1738
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:05,460
footage right and the guy said as you

1739
01:07:09,710 --> 01:07:07,440
came out of the building I was sat on my

1740
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:09,720
own nothing happened

1741
01:07:14,690 --> 01:07:12,000
and I thought that would never be shown

1742
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:14,700
on any other TV show that I've watched I

1743
01:07:17,569 --> 01:07:16,079
literally walked out of the building and

1744
01:07:20,329 --> 01:07:17,579
said I was sat on my own and nothing

1745
01:07:22,190 --> 01:07:20,339
happened where is this program there's a

1746
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,200
destination here it's in that it's a

1747
01:07:27,609 --> 01:07:24,480
American Childhood well I'm watching

1748
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:29,750
right but

1749
01:07:34,970 --> 01:07:32,400
and then I was like but they've just

1750
01:07:36,770 --> 01:07:34,980
broken in Paradigm yeah yeah they lifted

1751
01:07:38,569 --> 01:07:36,780
they've lifted the curtain yeah they've

1752
01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:38,579
literally shown you

1753
01:07:42,289 --> 01:07:40,200
you know this guy talking at the camera

1754
01:07:44,690 --> 01:07:42,299
and the camera goes dead right he has no

1755
01:07:46,510 --> 01:07:44,700
idea that the sound was gone right so

1756
01:07:49,069 --> 01:07:46,520
you're talking about he's talking about

1757
01:07:51,049 --> 01:07:49,079
Sam's getting on this camera vision's

1758
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:51,059
still there sound is dead they've got a

1759
01:07:54,410 --> 01:07:52,799
wide angle camera still showing him

1760
01:07:56,329 --> 01:07:54,420
speaking so what they've done is they've

1761
01:07:57,529 --> 01:07:56,339
cut the sound over his voice so you can

1762
01:07:58,910 --> 01:07:57,539
hear it but they've actually said his

1763
01:08:01,130 --> 01:07:58,920
camera is dead we're using a white apple

1764
01:08:03,470 --> 01:08:01,140
shot to give you his voice

1765
01:08:05,329 --> 01:08:03,480
he said and then they've gone back to

1766
01:08:07,010 --> 01:08:05,339
the wide angle at which point the sand

1767
01:08:09,170 --> 01:08:07,020
was dead on that camera as well

1768
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:09,180
all right just dies but never still see

1769
01:08:13,130 --> 01:08:11,520
it yeah and they've got nobody in the

1770
01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:13,140
crew knows why this has happened

1771
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:15,720
right so you literally sat there

1772
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:19,729
they've not tried to come up with a

1773
01:08:22,910 --> 01:08:21,359
reason they're not trying to say oh this

1774
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,920
is some spooky going on and all

1775
01:08:26,930 --> 01:08:24,480
this kind of stuff they've literally

1776
01:08:29,209 --> 01:08:26,940
said none of us know why this happened

1777
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:29,219
but we're just showing it you anyway I

1778
01:08:33,169 --> 01:08:31,440
thought if that's the way paranormal TV

1779
01:08:35,809 --> 01:08:33,179
is going now

1780
01:08:37,490 --> 01:08:35,819
good and it's getting better yeah

1781
01:08:39,650 --> 01:08:37,500
because that's why it should have been

1782
01:08:41,870 --> 01:08:39,660
right from the very start it should have

1783
01:08:43,729 --> 01:08:41,880
been the same experience that you're

1784
01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:43,739
watching is what you would be if you

1785
01:08:46,490 --> 01:08:45,120
were there if nothing happens but Kelly

1786
01:08:50,150 --> 01:08:46,500
but they were

1787
01:08:53,870 --> 01:08:51,950
I remember like 10 years old sitting

1788
01:08:56,809 --> 01:08:53,880
next to my dad gave me his jacket when

1789
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,819
he tore it on those things so I remember

1790
01:09:01,010 --> 01:08:58,560
sitting with my dad Monday night or

1791
01:09:03,709 --> 01:09:01,020
whatever it was ready to scare myself

1792
01:09:05,450 --> 01:09:03,719
um watching Most Wanted and back in

1793
01:09:06,410 --> 01:09:05,460
those days it was we used to watch it

1794
01:09:07,970 --> 01:09:06,420
good

1795
01:09:09,890 --> 01:09:07,980
oh well I hope the next one's better

1796
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:09,900
yeah because and I genuinely believe

1797
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:12,000
they all start out with with honest

1798
01:09:14,990 --> 01:09:13,199
intentions

1799
01:09:16,910 --> 01:09:15,000
but what happens is they have TV

1800
01:09:19,249 --> 01:09:16,920
producers on their back telling them

1801
01:09:20,990 --> 01:09:19,259
people aren't watching you've got to get

1802
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:21,000
people watching and that's what happens

1803
01:09:26,329 --> 01:09:24,000
they all start to get more and more

1804
01:09:27,650 --> 01:09:26,339
outrageous and then you'll have shows

1805
01:09:29,689 --> 01:09:27,660
come up that are just instantly

1806
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:29,699
outrageous you know and it's because

1807
01:09:33,530 --> 01:09:31,199
it's all about the money it's all about

1808
01:09:35,450 --> 01:09:33,540
the the viewings the people that are

1809
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:35,460
watching getting renewed for a second

1810
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:37,920
season in fact it says entertainment

1811
01:09:42,349 --> 01:09:40,560
only you know I don't mind people watch

1812
01:09:43,970 --> 01:09:42,359
I watch it sometimes as long as she

1813
01:09:46,010 --> 01:09:43,980
knows what it is you know you watch

1814
01:09:47,930 --> 01:09:46,020
wrestling knowing it's fake you tune

1815
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:47,940
into politic politics you know it's fake

1816
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:50,400
as long as you know it's fake

1817
01:09:53,630 --> 01:09:52,080
take it for what it is it's just a bit

1818
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:53,640
of a laugh but there are people that

1819
01:09:58,189 --> 01:09:55,440
watch it and genuinely think that that's

1820
01:09:59,330 --> 01:09:58,199
what ghost hunting is and it's not and

1821
01:10:01,850 --> 01:09:59,340
that was the reason I wrote my first

1822
01:10:03,530 --> 01:10:01,860
book because I was just really annoyed

1823
01:10:05,630 --> 01:10:03,540
of people coming and go students we had

1824
01:10:07,130 --> 01:10:05,640
people walk out after the half hour so

1825
01:10:08,689 --> 01:10:07,140
all this is boring no one's got

1826
01:10:10,810 --> 01:10:08,699
possession

1827
01:10:13,010 --> 01:10:10,820
I've never seen anyone get presents like

1828
01:10:14,450 --> 01:10:13,020
you know and and because they're

1829
01:10:18,010 --> 01:10:14,460
watching takes the most haunted effect

1830
01:10:20,330 --> 01:10:18,020
as I've called it this people want this

1831
01:10:24,050 --> 01:10:20,340
to have a stupid attitude towards us

1832
01:10:25,850 --> 01:10:24,060
yeah yeah I used to watch the they did

1833
01:10:28,490 --> 01:10:25,860
started doing eye instead of those sort

1834
01:10:31,490 --> 01:10:28,500
of good lives yeah yeah like you said

1835
01:10:33,410 --> 01:10:31,500
it starts off the furniture start loss

1836
01:10:36,350 --> 01:10:33,420
the first lot it was all quite undated

1837
01:10:38,030 --> 01:10:36,360
exactly by the end of it but the last

1838
01:10:40,810 --> 01:10:38,040
series it was the last two they were

1839
01:10:47,950 --> 01:10:40,820
doing it was nuts

1840
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:50,750
there are so many things

1841
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:54,719
off you can't see oh yeah well this guy

1842
01:10:58,250 --> 01:10:56,159
that was down drakeley was watching

1843
01:11:00,050 --> 01:10:58,260
people throwing rocks from behind the

1844
01:11:01,729 --> 01:11:00,060
camera one of them would disappear

1845
01:11:03,410 --> 01:11:01,739
without telling anyone to completely

1846
01:11:04,729 --> 01:11:03,420
vanish and then there'd be a noise and

1847
01:11:08,890 --> 01:11:04,739
then he'd reappear

1848
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:12,709
yes say for example it goes tote so what

1849
01:11:16,850 --> 01:11:14,880
you've got happening saying attention to

1850
01:11:18,830 --> 01:11:16,860
you that any ghost toast you've got

1851
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,840
multiple things all happening at the

1852
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:20,400
same time you may or may not have

1853
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:22,080
something paranormal happening whatever

1854
01:11:26,810 --> 01:11:24,239
that means you've also got the

1855
01:11:28,610 --> 01:11:26,820
psychology of the people yeah the people

1856
01:11:30,290 --> 01:11:28,620
are freaking each other out picking up

1857
01:11:32,570 --> 01:11:30,300
on the subconsciously on each other's

1858
01:11:34,910 --> 01:11:32,580
fear you know projecting their own stuff

1859
01:11:37,010 --> 01:11:34,920
all of that is happening all at the same

1860
01:11:39,169 --> 01:11:37,020
time it's not one or the other that is

1861
01:11:41,870 --> 01:11:39,179
it's everything that's why it's all

1862
01:11:44,169 --> 01:11:41,880
complicated to understand absolutely

1863
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:44,179
you must have been though one light

1864
01:11:49,610 --> 01:11:47,040
towards me and I was watching it

1865
01:11:52,850 --> 01:11:49,620
I was on my own but this is just stupid

1866
01:11:55,970 --> 01:11:52,860
or something like that the boys

1867
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:55,980
and I remember watching it I had

1868
01:12:02,810 --> 01:11:59,040
not long before that a very good friend

1869
01:12:05,689 --> 01:12:02,820
to buy who died of a brain Tula

1870
01:12:07,550 --> 01:12:05,699
or after watching that I watched it like

1871
01:12:08,930 --> 01:12:07,560
all of a sudden my life started

1872
01:12:12,649 --> 01:12:08,940
flickering

1873
01:12:14,570 --> 01:12:12,659
but the lights were flicking for four to

1874
01:12:16,250 --> 01:12:14,580
five days I always you know it was just

1875
01:12:18,290 --> 01:12:16,260
going home because

1876
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:18,300
we had to get the council in to check

1877
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:20,400
the electrics they said Industrial

1878
01:12:23,290 --> 01:12:21,600
Electric

1879
01:12:25,729 --> 01:12:23,300
ity

1880
01:12:27,010 --> 01:12:25,739
I thought I said that the launched in

1881
01:12:29,770 --> 01:12:27,020
seconds

1882
01:12:32,209 --> 01:12:29,780
nothing was happening

1883
01:12:34,130 --> 01:12:32,219
starting kick it off again

1884
01:12:35,930 --> 01:12:34,140
the two lights out this will went off

1885
01:12:39,890 --> 01:12:35,940
about a week because I was going to see

1886
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:39,900
if I got it to his funeral and see and I

1887
01:12:44,810 --> 01:12:42,480
said not to wait it's just you and the

1888
01:12:46,610 --> 01:12:44,820
lights are just going bonkers all right

1889
01:12:47,350 --> 01:12:46,620
well this is like five o'clock in the

1890
01:12:50,270 --> 01:12:47,360
morning

1891
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:50,280
I said right can you stop it because

1892
01:12:55,970 --> 01:12:53,280
you're freaking bad especially the

1893
01:12:57,770 --> 01:12:55,980
message and it's just been Focus for

1894
01:13:01,370 --> 01:12:57,780
about two minutes and stop

1895
01:13:04,430 --> 01:13:01,380
uh we have no problem ever again with

1896
01:13:07,310 --> 01:13:04,440
electrics flashing flickering didn't go

1897
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:07,320
on and off there you go at all uh yes

1898
01:13:13,790 --> 01:13:11,280
the best one was when calling Friday the

1899
01:13:15,290 --> 01:13:13,800
corner tweeted until we meet again my

1900
01:13:18,669 --> 01:13:15,300
friend I thought to myself he's so good

1901
01:13:23,390 --> 01:13:21,950
very good yeah I always like the psychic

1902
01:13:26,030 --> 01:13:23,400
night canceled due to unforeseen

1903
01:13:27,770 --> 01:13:26,040
circumstances as well

1904
01:13:31,130 --> 01:13:27,780
um so we're just going to look at a bit

1905
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:31,140
of of how everyone's an expert now

1906
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:33,120
so this was a I'm on multiple like

1907
01:13:36,649 --> 01:13:34,800
haunting Facebook groups and stuff like

1908
01:13:39,950 --> 01:13:36,659
that so this was a picture that got

1909
01:13:42,110 --> 01:13:39,960
posted on the um on the Facebook page

1910
01:13:43,970 --> 01:13:42,120
so this person posted a couple of

1911
01:13:46,910 --> 01:13:43,980
pictures so there's this one and it's

1912
01:13:48,770 --> 01:13:46,920
followed by this one

1913
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:48,780
a bit weird

1914
01:13:53,689 --> 01:13:50,640
so let's look at the first picture so

1915
01:13:55,070 --> 01:13:53,699
let's analyze this so what do we see so

1916
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:55,080
there's a couple dancing it's obviously

1917
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:56,880
a high school prom or something and

1918
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:58,560
you've got a person just off camera here

1919
01:14:04,189 --> 01:14:01,440
with a bit of a bun some shorts you can

1920
01:14:06,830 --> 01:14:04,199
see the legs some kind of shortcut jeans

1921
01:14:08,209 --> 01:14:06,840
there blacktop blue trousers and you've

1922
01:14:11,390 --> 01:14:08,219
got the Disco lights in the background

1923
01:14:12,890 --> 01:14:11,400
look just on the right purple light you

1924
01:14:14,090 --> 01:14:12,900
know these lights they change colors all

1925
01:14:16,370 --> 01:14:14,100
the time

1926
01:14:18,370 --> 01:14:16,380
so what do we have in the next picture

1927
01:14:21,229 --> 01:14:18,380
what can we see now

1928
01:14:23,689 --> 01:14:21,239
so there's a green light

1929
01:14:25,729 --> 01:14:23,699
now the light's changed the person's

1930
01:14:28,729 --> 01:14:25,739
moved back there's the shorts cut off

1931
01:14:30,649 --> 01:14:28,739
trousers bun at the top

1932
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:30,659
black hoodie whatever they were wearing

1933
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:32,400
and it's just she's moved out of the way

1934
01:14:38,510 --> 01:14:34,800
she's got that light exposure would you

1935
01:14:42,830 --> 01:14:40,390
no no

1936
01:14:43,970 --> 01:14:42,840
but these were the comments on the

1937
01:14:45,530 --> 01:14:43,980
Facebook

1938
01:14:47,630 --> 01:14:45,540
post

1939
01:14:49,370 --> 01:14:47,640
wow you've definitely caught the Grim

1940
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:49,380
Reaper on camera

1941
01:14:53,330 --> 01:14:51,360
crazy does she have a loved one that's

1942
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:53,340
past that may have been there that looks

1943
01:14:57,530 --> 01:14:55,679
like a male from the profile kind of

1944
01:15:00,649 --> 01:14:57,540
weird it's so black

1945
01:15:02,450 --> 01:15:00,659
gives the grimy Grim Reaper Vibes very

1946
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:02,460
scary picture

1947
01:15:07,790 --> 01:15:05,040
um something Calica you know what it is

1948
01:15:10,250 --> 01:15:07,800
your days are numbered

1949
01:15:14,930 --> 01:15:10,260
I laughed so much when I read these so

1950
01:15:20,090 --> 01:15:17,390
now according to two people there that's

1951
01:15:23,330 --> 01:15:20,100
the Grim Reaper they've instantly jump

1952
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:23,340
to that's the Grim Reaper

1953
01:15:27,530 --> 01:15:25,440
it's absolutely but the problem is this

1954
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:27,540
is what you get when

1955
01:15:32,810 --> 01:15:30,239
you feel is when you watch this

1956
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:32,820
you know you kind of follow this thought

1957
01:15:37,370 --> 01:15:35,280
process this is what happens and

1958
01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:37,380
everyone's an expert everyone knows

1959
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:38,760
exactly what that is straight away

1960
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:42,000
Instagram Reaper no question about it so

1961
01:15:47,229 --> 01:15:43,679
firstly let's think is the Grim Reaper

1962
01:15:52,430 --> 01:15:50,209
because if you look at children children

1963
01:15:54,290 --> 01:15:52,440
in particular they grow up they're

1964
01:15:56,450 --> 01:15:54,300
innocent where they're growing so

1965
01:15:58,729 --> 01:15:56,460
they've had no conditioning and they see

1966
01:16:00,890 --> 01:15:58,739
everything well they can explain that

1967
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:00,900
they've seen grandma in the corner but

1968
01:16:05,450 --> 01:16:03,120
never ever met the grandma and describe

1969
01:16:07,610 --> 01:16:05,460
her then for me that's evidence

1970
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:07,620
absolutely but it's only when we they

1971
01:16:10,850 --> 01:16:09,120
grow up when we tell them that imaginary

1972
01:16:12,830 --> 01:16:10,860
friends are stupid and what they're

1973
01:16:15,410 --> 01:16:12,840
seeing is silly and they they should

1974
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:15,420
that Talent off and and therefore legal

1975
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:17,040
to school well because they grow up in a

1976
01:16:21,229 --> 01:16:18,840
society where the Paranormal isn't

1977
01:16:22,850 --> 01:16:21,239
normal and it's round if you were to try

1978
01:16:25,610 --> 01:16:22,860
and singing I've got an imaginary friend

1979
01:16:28,330 --> 01:16:25,620
that's acceptable but if an adult says I

1980
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:28,340
saw somebody yeah

1981
01:16:32,930 --> 01:16:31,199
yeah and you know you look at cultures

1982
01:16:34,130 --> 01:16:32,940
like you know ancient Indian tribes or

1983
01:16:36,590 --> 01:16:34,140
you know people that live in the Amazon

1984
01:16:39,290 --> 01:16:36,600
forest now in cultures like that it's

1985
01:16:42,110 --> 01:16:39,300
culturally accepted that you see ghosts

1986
01:16:44,689 --> 01:16:42,120
and that you have experiences and it's

1987
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:44,699
part of their life so they grow up still

1988
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:46,560
seeing it because they're not taught

1989
01:16:57,530 --> 01:16:54,310
exactly yeah

1990
01:16:59,689 --> 01:16:57,540
and for children it is yeah

1991
01:17:02,030 --> 01:16:59,699
um and just another bit of

1992
01:17:03,649 --> 01:17:02,040
um kind of groups so during the brief

1993
01:17:04,669 --> 01:17:03,659
break between lockdowns I thought you

1994
01:17:05,570 --> 01:17:04,679
know what I'm going to get out I'm gonna

1995
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:05,580
go and

1996
01:17:08,689 --> 01:17:07,440
support a local group so I went to a

1997
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:08,699
place called crazy old Hall in

1998
01:17:12,169 --> 01:17:10,800
Wolverhampton again they used I used to

1999
01:17:14,810 --> 01:17:12,179
live near Wolverhampton so it's quite

2000
01:17:16,669 --> 01:17:14,820
close for me so I paid my full queen or

2001
01:17:18,830 --> 01:17:16,679
whatever it was went with this group a

2002
01:17:20,149 --> 01:17:18,840
friend of mine was going as well so just

2003
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,159
turned up

2004
01:17:23,810 --> 01:17:22,080
um and this house is quite famous it's

2005
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:23,820
been on the BBC it's known as the house

2006
01:17:28,189 --> 01:17:26,400
that cries because they they always find

2007
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:28,199
a puddle of water at the bottom of the

2008
01:17:32,570 --> 01:17:30,239
stairs and they can't find any reason as

2009
01:17:34,669 --> 01:17:32,580
to why no leaks nothing like that it's

2010
01:17:36,350 --> 01:17:34,679
always just a bottle of water

2011
01:17:37,970 --> 01:17:36,360
so I went with this group I've never

2012
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:37,980
been with them before my friend said

2013
01:17:40,610 --> 01:17:39,360
that should we just go on it I said yeah

2014
01:17:42,410 --> 01:17:40,620
fine

2015
01:17:45,890 --> 01:17:42,420
um so we turned up I didn't take any

2016
01:17:47,149 --> 01:17:45,900
equipment so you talk about uh going out

2017
01:17:48,530 --> 01:17:47,159
and spending a couple of hundred quid on

2018
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:48,540
ghost equipment

2019
01:17:53,630 --> 01:17:51,360
um The more I've done this the less and

2020
01:17:56,810 --> 01:17:53,640
less equipment I use

2021
01:17:57,649 --> 01:17:56,820
um my kick bag is just tiny now

2022
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:57,659
um

2023
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:59,280
and we'll might go into a little bit

2024
01:18:01,790 --> 01:18:00,480
later

2025
01:18:03,470 --> 01:18:01,800
um so anyway so I've turned off haven't

2026
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:03,480
taken anything no equipment and most of

2027
01:18:05,810 --> 01:18:04,800
these groups they provide equipment

2028
01:18:08,149 --> 01:18:05,820
anywhere

2029
01:18:10,250 --> 01:18:08,159
so um the night gets going there's about

2030
01:18:11,870 --> 01:18:10,260
30 of us which is far too many in my

2031
01:18:13,970 --> 01:18:11,880
opinion for this house for those that

2032
01:18:16,310 --> 01:18:13,980
have been on investigations you don't

2033
01:18:18,290 --> 01:18:16,320
want that bleed from another group if

2034
01:18:19,610 --> 01:18:18,300
they're in a room down the hallway you

2035
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:19,620
don't want that noise you want to be

2036
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:22,080
able to just focus so for me the minimal

2037
01:18:25,610 --> 01:18:23,760
amount possible is always the best but

2038
01:18:27,050 --> 01:18:25,620
they're about 30 of us with the team as

2039
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:27,060
well

2040
01:18:31,250 --> 01:18:28,560
um as soon as I walked in I thought oh

2041
01:18:33,229 --> 01:18:31,260
my God they've got the table was

2042
01:18:35,870 --> 01:18:33,239
completely set up with all these gadgets

2043
01:18:39,050 --> 01:18:35,880
these mobile phones apps these they've

2044
01:18:42,590 --> 01:18:39,060
got a bloody desktop computer setup

2045
01:18:44,570 --> 01:18:42,600
um with these apps that you can get so

2046
01:18:46,130 --> 01:18:44,580
um off we go we're split into our groups

2047
01:18:48,590 --> 01:18:46,140
and we're going around now my kind of

2048
01:18:51,229 --> 01:18:48,600
method is I just like to sit and zone

2049
01:18:53,870 --> 01:18:51,239
out and tune into the room and like just

2050
01:18:55,550 --> 01:18:53,880
kind of sit and experience

2051
01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:55,560
so I've got my hood up and I was there

2052
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:57,840
just you know kind of trying to relax

2053
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:00,960
all of a sudden the door gets booted

2054
01:19:05,689 --> 01:19:03,360
open and this guy walks in with a torch

2055
01:19:07,970 --> 01:19:05,699
well it was a phone his phone he's live

2056
01:19:09,649 --> 01:19:07,980
feeding on Facebook and he's working you

2057
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:09,659
go this is the living room guys this is

2058
01:19:13,490 --> 01:19:11,760
and he's like right in my face and I'm

2059
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:13,500
like bloody hell mate

2060
01:19:16,130 --> 01:19:15,120
um this is this is the living room as

2061
01:19:18,830 --> 01:19:16,140
you can see we've got people here

2062
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:18,840
investigating and uh and I said mate

2063
01:19:23,630 --> 01:19:21,600
what are you doing they said oh just for

2064
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:23,640
the followers for the followers I said

2065
01:19:27,890 --> 01:19:25,679
we're trying to investigate here like

2066
01:19:29,450 --> 01:19:27,900
you keep your mind oh no no I've got

2067
01:19:31,250 --> 01:19:29,460
I've got people watching this and then

2068
01:19:32,930 --> 01:19:31,260
he off he goes around the room into the

2069
01:19:35,090 --> 01:19:32,940
next room and into interrupts the next

2070
01:19:38,090 --> 01:19:35,100
group and I just sat there thinking what

2071
01:19:39,709 --> 01:19:38,100
the hell is going on I've paid like 30

2072
01:19:41,209 --> 01:19:39,719
40 quid for this but it's okay because

2073
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:41,219
the 15 followers at home that are

2074
01:19:46,729 --> 01:19:43,679
watching this video they get it for free

2075
01:19:49,010 --> 01:19:46,739
um what there was no kind of respect for

2076
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:49,020
what we were trying to do and I was like

2077
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:51,120
is this where it's going is this where

2078
01:19:55,010 --> 01:19:53,040
ghost investigating is going because

2079
01:19:57,410 --> 01:19:55,020
this is really really bad

2080
01:19:59,090 --> 01:19:57,420
then I got put with a group of people

2081
01:20:00,410 --> 01:19:59,100
that had these mobile phone apps you

2082
01:20:02,990 --> 01:20:00,420
probably had them you've seen them

2083
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:03,000
there's one called Ghost Radar that kind

2084
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:04,560
of tells you there's a ghost over there

2085
01:20:10,850 --> 01:20:07,199
it's over there there's one that um

2086
01:20:12,229 --> 01:20:10,860
shouts words at you and says um random

2087
01:20:15,050 --> 01:20:12,239
words and apparently that's the ghost

2088
01:20:16,610 --> 01:20:15,060
using the phone to communicate with you

2089
01:20:19,850 --> 01:20:16,620
um and this was fascinating because we

2090
01:20:22,250 --> 01:20:19,860
talk about psychology in this so you

2091
01:20:23,450 --> 01:20:22,260
think about I sat at a table there were

2092
01:20:25,550 --> 01:20:23,460
four women there and they got this

2093
01:20:26,990 --> 01:20:25,560
mobile phone so firstly we were in a

2094
01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:27,000
dark room and they're blinding

2095
01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:28,560
themselves staring at this bright light

2096
01:20:31,130 --> 01:20:29,520
you know

2097
01:20:32,630 --> 01:20:31,140
so then they wonder why they can see

2098
01:20:33,890 --> 01:20:32,640
shadows and ghosts in the corner because

2099
01:20:35,570 --> 01:20:33,900
if you've been staring at a bright light

2100
01:20:37,729 --> 01:20:35,580
and they've got this thing shouting

2101
01:20:41,090 --> 01:20:37,739
words at them and over a 10 minute

2102
01:20:45,229 --> 01:20:41,100
period they developed their own story

2103
01:20:47,090 --> 01:20:45,239
so this phone shouted girl girl's a girl

2104
01:20:48,410 --> 01:20:47,100
this girl where's the girl there's a

2105
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:48,420
girl in here it's just something to go

2106
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:51,120
and then where are you where are you and

2107
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:54,239
then it says fire she died in a fire she

2108
01:20:58,430 --> 01:20:55,679
burned to death this girl burnt to death

2109
01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:58,440
but where are you over there over where

2110
01:21:02,149 --> 01:21:00,000
I think she went over there she's over

2111
01:21:04,490 --> 01:21:02,159
there in the corner so after 10 minutes

2112
01:21:07,010 --> 01:21:04,500
we've developed this whole story of a

2113
01:21:08,810 --> 01:21:07,020
four-year-old whatever girl who burns in

2114
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:08,820
the fire she was standing over there in

2115
01:21:12,890 --> 01:21:11,040
the corner and she was there trying to

2116
01:21:14,030 --> 01:21:12,900
communicate with us through this iPhone

2117
01:21:16,270 --> 01:21:14,040
app

2118
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:16,280
and that was it they left the room

2119
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:17,840
absolutely

2120
01:21:21,290 --> 01:21:20,159
believing that they just encountered a

2121
01:21:23,450 --> 01:21:21,300
four-year-old girl that had burned to

2122
01:21:24,830 --> 01:21:23,460
death I quit Google during the break

2123
01:21:26,510 --> 01:21:24,840
showed that there'd never been a fire

2124
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:26,520
recorded in that place ever

2125
01:21:30,290 --> 01:21:29,130
no death no children's death no deaths

2126
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:30,300
[Music]

2127
01:21:33,169 --> 01:21:32,159
um I did didn't say anything to them

2128
01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:33,179
though I just kind of did a bit of

2129
01:21:37,610 --> 01:21:35,280
research after we went upstairs to

2130
01:21:39,470 --> 01:21:37,620
another to one of the bedrooms and uh

2131
01:21:41,870 --> 01:21:39,480
they've got the app on again

2132
01:21:43,010 --> 01:21:41,880
go there's a girl here again is it the

2133
01:21:44,330 --> 01:21:43,020
same girl I wonder if it's the same girl

2134
01:21:45,470 --> 01:21:44,340
and I think if no maybe it's the app

2135
01:21:46,910 --> 01:21:45,480
just giving you the same word again

2136
01:21:49,250 --> 01:21:46,920
because it's only got so many words

2137
01:21:50,450 --> 01:21:49,260
pre-programmed into the app there's a

2138
01:21:52,490 --> 01:21:50,460
girl what's she doing is it the same

2139
01:21:54,530 --> 01:21:52,500
girl she's followed us and we left that

2140
01:21:56,149 --> 01:21:54,540
room firmly believing that that girl had

2141
01:21:58,130 --> 01:21:56,159
followed us from downstairs and she was

2142
01:21:59,630 --> 01:21:58,140
now following us around the house uh she

2143
01:22:01,130 --> 01:21:59,640
must not have any family she just really

2144
01:22:03,470 --> 01:22:01,140
wanted to be near us because she doesn't

2145
01:22:05,810 --> 01:22:03,480
have anyone to talk to and they left the

2146
01:22:08,209 --> 01:22:05,820
night firmly believing that that's what

2147
01:22:10,370 --> 01:22:08,219
it was and I just think

2148
01:22:13,490 --> 01:22:10,380
really let's go something then you

2149
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:13,500
download a free 99 app and it can it can

2150
01:22:18,590 --> 01:22:15,840
tell you ghosts

2151
01:22:20,630 --> 01:22:18,600
Martin day goes something and I tell you

2152
01:22:23,260 --> 01:22:20,640
um that was the last organized ghost

2153
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:23,270
that I've been on

2154
01:22:27,290 --> 01:22:24,960
[Music]

2155
01:22:28,910 --> 01:22:27,300
um I I tend to do more private ones

2156
01:22:32,209 --> 01:22:28,920
though like the documentary that I've

2157
01:22:33,290 --> 01:22:32,219
made and stuff I I can't do it anymore

2158
01:22:34,610 --> 01:22:33,300
um

2159
01:22:37,310 --> 01:22:34,620
so which brings me on to this so the

2160
01:22:40,610 --> 01:22:37,320
future of paranormal evidence

2161
01:22:43,970 --> 01:22:40,620
um can we ever trust what we see again

2162
01:22:46,250 --> 01:22:43,980
you know the more we develop our

2163
01:22:48,410 --> 01:22:46,260
technology the more we develop things

2164
01:22:50,330 --> 01:22:48,420
that can capture evidence we're always

2165
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:50,340
one step behind things like CGI

2166
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:52,800
Photoshop and things like that and the

2167
01:22:55,970 --> 01:22:54,719
problem is there's always a skeptic and

2168
01:22:57,950 --> 01:22:55,980
there's always someone that will say to

2169
01:23:00,290 --> 01:22:57,960
you you've got the best evidence ever

2170
01:23:01,490 --> 01:23:00,300
and you know it you think that is that

2171
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:01,500
is it

2172
01:23:06,169 --> 01:23:04,080
and someone will say that's fake

2173
01:23:08,030 --> 01:23:06,179
Photoshop that didn't you and you're

2174
01:23:10,189 --> 01:23:08,040
like no no I actually genuinely could no

2175
01:23:11,570 --> 01:23:10,199
no you photoshop that and you just can't

2176
01:23:14,209 --> 01:23:11,580
change their mind

2177
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:14,219
so what's the point this is a question

2178
01:23:18,590 --> 01:23:16,560
now I'm I'm genuinely asking myself what

2179
01:23:20,270 --> 01:23:18,600
is the point what is the point in

2180
01:23:22,370 --> 01:23:20,280
showing evidence to someone that doesn't

2181
01:23:23,570 --> 01:23:22,380
believe what is you're never going to

2182
01:23:26,689 --> 01:23:23,580
change their mind

2183
01:23:27,890 --> 01:23:26,699
s it is and equally what's the point in

2184
01:23:28,970 --> 01:23:27,900
showing it to someone that already

2185
01:23:30,770 --> 01:23:28,980
believes

2186
01:23:32,209 --> 01:23:30,780
because I already believe you don't need

2187
01:23:34,189 --> 01:23:32,219
to convince them they already they

2188
01:23:36,350 --> 01:23:34,199
already agree with what you're saying

2189
01:23:38,209 --> 01:23:36,360
so what's the point so the more I've

2190
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:38,219
done this the smaller my Kickback has

2191
01:23:42,110 --> 01:23:40,320
got the best tool you can use on a ghost

2192
01:23:44,450 --> 01:23:42,120
hunt is yourself because it can't be

2193
01:23:46,250 --> 01:23:44,460
manipulated by outside sources like a K2

2194
01:23:48,169 --> 01:23:46,260
meter or a Spirit Box

2195
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:48,179
you can trust yourself if you want to

2196
01:23:50,750 --> 01:23:49,199
convince yourself that you've seen

2197
01:23:52,850 --> 01:23:50,760
something that you haven't that's fine

2198
01:23:54,290 --> 01:23:52,860
you go to bed thinking that but you know

2199
01:23:56,090 --> 01:23:54,300
you genuinely know what you've seen and

2200
01:23:57,950 --> 01:23:56,100
what you haven't seen

2201
01:23:59,930 --> 01:23:57,960
um so the best thought you can use is

2202
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,940
yourself and The more I've done it the

2203
01:24:03,950 --> 01:24:01,440
more I've come to realize that actually

2204
01:24:06,110 --> 01:24:03,960
this is personal it's a personal

2205
01:24:09,290 --> 01:24:06,120
experience every experience that you

2206
01:24:11,630 --> 01:24:09,300
have be it a UFO a ghost whatever it's

2207
01:24:13,729 --> 01:24:11,640
personal and you don't need to convince

2208
01:24:15,470 --> 01:24:13,739
people around you that it happens

2209
01:24:18,110 --> 01:24:15,480
as long as you know that it's happened

2210
01:24:20,270 --> 01:24:18,120
and it will mean something to you you

2211
01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:20,280
might people have UFO experience just

2212
01:24:24,890 --> 01:24:22,440
let it triggers synchronicity it happens

2213
01:24:26,030 --> 01:24:24,900
a a really important moment in their

2214
01:24:27,649 --> 01:24:26,040
life

2215
01:24:29,570 --> 01:24:27,659
um like you say something happened to

2216
01:24:31,970 --> 01:24:29,580
you you have that really pivotal moment

2217
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:31,980
and it's personal to you and someone

2218
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:33,360
might say to you that's a lot of

2219
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:36,480
bollocks didn't happen and ask questions

2220
01:24:40,550 --> 01:24:39,120
your question themselves and that's

2221
01:24:42,470 --> 01:24:40,560
really what should happen is you should

2222
01:24:44,030 --> 01:24:42,480
question everything well absolutely

2223
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:44,040
question everything yeah but you know

2224
01:24:48,290 --> 01:24:45,600
you've had an experience and you know

2225
01:24:50,270 --> 01:24:48,300
that that happened but you convince

2226
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:50,280
someone and they don't don't believe you

2227
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:52,320
and then that makes you you get worn out

2228
01:24:55,610 --> 01:24:54,239
you get let's let you know you get kind

2229
01:24:57,649 --> 01:24:55,620
of worn out trying to convince people

2230
01:24:59,030 --> 01:24:57,659
actually it's real it's real it's real

2231
01:25:01,490 --> 01:24:59,040
to the point where you just don't care

2232
01:25:03,229 --> 01:25:01,500
anymore and and it's not that I don't

2233
01:25:05,450 --> 01:25:03,239
care but I'm at the point now where what

2234
01:25:06,890 --> 01:25:05,460
we don't need to convince people you're

2235
01:25:08,330 --> 01:25:06,900
either trying to convince people that

2236
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:08,340
you never will so you're wasting your

2237
01:25:13,010 --> 01:25:10,320
time or you're talking to people that

2238
01:25:15,050 --> 01:25:13,020
already believe you know so for me it's

2239
01:25:16,689 --> 01:25:15,060
personal experience and that's the route

2240
01:25:23,290 --> 01:25:16,699
I'm going now

2241
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:27,590
for my for my own post-preception if I I

2242
01:25:32,450 --> 01:25:30,239
keep things I experience as an

2243
01:25:34,850 --> 01:25:32,460
experience and very important to my sad

2244
01:25:37,729 --> 01:25:34,860
I wrote the hard way from when I was a

2245
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:37,739
teenager of trying to

2246
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:39,360
um save these different people come out

2247
01:25:42,830 --> 01:25:41,280
and you know literally people think I'm

2248
01:25:44,689 --> 01:25:42,840
creating this has been from my life in

2249
01:25:47,090 --> 01:25:44,699
barrier in school to protecting events

2250
01:25:49,250 --> 01:25:47,100
right up till now because I know people

2251
01:25:51,729 --> 01:25:49,260
learn from experience they have to

2252
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:51,739
experience it themselves to believe

2253
01:25:56,570 --> 01:25:55,440
these things whatever it takes but as I

2254
01:25:57,770 --> 01:25:56,580
say I've got a guy that caught that

2255
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:57,780
really good picture of three children

2256
01:26:04,430 --> 01:26:01,920
and still doesn't believe yeah you know

2257
01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:08,629
um

2258
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:12,239
then of things that I've I've got so

2259
01:26:15,470 --> 01:26:13,679
this I think I showed this at the last

2260
01:26:17,390 --> 01:26:15,480
time I was here so apologies to those

2261
01:26:19,490 --> 01:26:17,400
that may have seen this so This Is Us in

2262
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:19,500
Draco tunnels and we're having a dance

2263
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:22,080
and during this night we decided to um

2264
01:26:25,250 --> 01:26:24,239
play a bit of era link because the

2265
01:26:26,510 --> 01:26:25,260
people that would have been working down

2266
01:26:28,669 --> 01:26:26,520
there this would have been their kind of

2267
01:26:30,410 --> 01:26:28,679
music and we were in the canteen area at

2268
01:26:31,610 --> 01:26:30,420
the time which was a big kitchen at the

2269
01:26:33,410 --> 01:26:31,620
back and this is where all the tables

2270
01:26:35,570 --> 01:26:33,420
would have been set out we did a spirit

2271
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:35,580
board we've got verily in on you know

2272
01:26:39,169 --> 01:26:37,679
you know the mirror Lynn track it had

2273
01:26:40,250 --> 01:26:39,179
been on now about eight times I was

2274
01:26:42,290 --> 01:26:40,260
getting pretty Fed Up of it and I said

2275
01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:42,300
well I'm turning this crap off and the

2276
01:26:46,490 --> 01:26:44,639
glass shot to know I was like okay I'll

2277
01:26:48,169 --> 01:26:46,500
leave it on there so we decided to do

2278
01:26:50,270 --> 01:26:48,179
some dancing see if some people would

2279
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:50,280
dance with us so apologies you've got to

2280
01:26:53,870 --> 01:26:52,080
watch me dance I am used to like

2281
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:53,880
Northern soul and Scar not not

2282
01:27:00,050 --> 01:26:56,639
necessarily used to dancing with it

2283
01:27:00,970 --> 01:27:00,060
um but we capture a really interesting

2284
01:27:06,110 --> 01:27:00,980
um

2285
01:27:12,290 --> 01:27:08,810
it comes around my back and it's bright

2286
01:27:14,209 --> 01:27:12,300
red so you won't miss it

2287
01:27:16,189 --> 01:27:14,219
that stops breath with people breathing

2288
01:27:17,870 --> 01:27:16,199
behind the camera you'll see dust coming

2289
01:27:19,310 --> 01:27:17,880
up because we're in a tunnel right there

2290
01:27:21,470 --> 01:27:19,320
then

2291
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:21,480
but this one

2292
01:27:26,090 --> 01:27:24,000
acts completely independently that's

2293
01:27:27,649 --> 01:27:26,100
interesting so it's red and it's acting

2294
01:27:30,189 --> 01:27:27,659
independently so I'll just play that

2295
01:27:33,770 --> 01:27:32,629
no but it has its own movement and

2296
01:27:36,169 --> 01:27:33,780
what's interesting is if you actually

2297
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:36,179
look at it closely it's two orbs

2298
01:27:41,570 --> 01:27:38,880
intertwined dancing

2299
01:27:48,210 --> 01:27:41,580
around each other as they come around my

2300
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:50,450
[Music]

2301
01:27:56,330 --> 01:27:54,080
so these are kind of just going up there

2302
01:27:58,370 --> 01:27:56,340
and you hear the loud side what's that

2303
01:28:00,250 --> 01:27:58,380
so she's kind of seen that as well she's

2304
01:28:02,990 --> 01:28:00,260
seen that with her eyes

2305
01:28:04,550 --> 01:28:03,000
to the dust yeah it's it's completely

2306
01:28:08,090 --> 01:28:04,560
different it's a really interesting

2307
01:28:12,350 --> 01:28:10,310
um so this next clip is was caught at

2308
01:28:14,209 --> 01:28:12,360
the house that I investigated in um in

2309
01:28:15,770 --> 01:28:14,219
Essex

2310
01:28:17,570 --> 01:28:15,780
um do go and watch the documentary it's

2311
01:28:20,270 --> 01:28:17,580
only on it's on YouTube it's like 46

2312
01:28:23,149 --> 01:28:20,280
minutes long Haunting in Essex

2313
01:28:25,070 --> 01:28:23,159
um this is what I've done is I'm not

2314
01:28:27,410 --> 01:28:25,080
going to tell you what this says because

2315
01:28:29,149 --> 01:28:27,420
I hate them you watch a program I did

2316
01:28:30,770 --> 01:28:29,159
this to my wife I did the test she went

2317
01:28:32,810 --> 01:28:30,780
to make a cup of tea and they it was on

2318
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:32,820
the program and it came up telling you

2319
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:35,520
what this EVP was that they caught so

2320
01:28:38,810 --> 01:28:36,960
she came back in and I've kind of

2321
01:28:41,149 --> 01:28:38,820
covered it with my arm and said what's

2322
01:28:44,090 --> 01:28:41,159
this saying and she said something and I

2323
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:44,100
was like okay remove my arm and it was

2324
01:28:47,930 --> 01:28:46,320
nothing to what the subtitles were

2325
01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:47,940
saying and she went oh yeah I can hear

2326
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:49,920
that now yeah yeah yeah but what her

2327
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:51,360
original thought was was completely

2328
01:28:55,310 --> 01:28:53,040
different and that's that kind of

2329
01:28:56,930 --> 01:28:55,320
planting it in your mind what you should

2330
01:28:58,070 --> 01:28:56,940
be hearing so just have a listen to this

2331
01:29:03,050 --> 01:28:58,080
and then I want some people's thoughts

2332
01:29:07,410 --> 01:29:04,310
can you hear that that's not coming

2333
01:29:09,610 --> 01:29:07,420
through the amp anymore is it is yeah

2334
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:09,620
[Music]

2335
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:12,719
no it's not coming through

2336
01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:29,689
[Music]

2337
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:32,030
oh

2338
01:29:37,810 --> 01:29:33,600
all right let's do that

2339
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:39,770
oh yeah

2340
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:41,040
so let's have a listen to this and see

2341
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:50,149
can anyone here

2342
01:29:55,870 --> 01:29:53,280
what's up yeah nobody here right now I

2343
01:30:01,910 --> 01:29:55,880
thought I don't know

2344
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:06,050
awesome

2345
01:30:12,490 --> 01:30:08,450
excited

2346
01:30:14,750 --> 01:30:12,500
okay so I hear get out of my house

2347
01:30:18,410 --> 01:30:14,760
now listen he's gonna use something

2348
01:30:18,420 --> 01:30:21,970
ing

2349
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:24,709
out of my house sounds like someone

2350
01:30:29,750 --> 01:30:27,360
smokes about 50 a day so we caught this

2351
01:30:31,430 --> 01:30:29,760
on a motion sensor camera so in the

2352
01:30:32,810 --> 01:30:31,440
house we set up motion sensor cameras

2353
01:30:34,729 --> 01:30:32,820
because a lot was happening in rooms

2354
01:30:36,229 --> 01:30:34,739
when people weren't there and a lot was

2355
01:30:37,970 --> 01:30:36,239
happening they would come back and see

2356
01:30:39,649 --> 01:30:37,980
things that had happened so they want we

2357
01:30:42,110 --> 01:30:39,659
wanted to capture stuff when they

2358
01:30:43,669 --> 01:30:42,120
weren't there so we set up motion sensor

2359
01:30:44,930 --> 01:30:43,679
cameras the reason they were motion

2360
01:30:46,189 --> 01:30:44,940
sensor is because I just couldn't be

2361
01:30:47,629 --> 01:30:46,199
bothered to go through hours and hours

2362
01:30:49,610 --> 01:30:47,639
of footage I only wanted to look at

2363
01:30:50,750 --> 01:30:49,620
stuff that had been triggered and that

2364
01:30:57,470 --> 01:30:50,760
was one of the things that came through

2365
01:31:01,610 --> 01:30:59,510
it's that perception again people hear

2366
01:31:03,050 --> 01:31:01,620
what they want to hear people hear

2367
01:31:09,169 --> 01:31:03,060
different things

2368
01:31:09,179 --> 01:31:11,709
yeah

2369
01:31:20,510 --> 01:31:15,530
and then you cure it what they say they

2370
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:24,240
so this is um

2371
01:31:32,450 --> 01:31:29,590
[Music]

2372
01:31:35,450 --> 01:31:32,460
that's right

2373
01:31:37,070 --> 01:31:35,460
so there's a dog I'm sorry about his

2374
01:31:38,750 --> 01:31:37,080
belly

2375
01:31:41,330 --> 01:31:38,760
um so there's a dog there so you think

2376
01:31:42,290 --> 01:31:41,340
well the doctor's growled didn't they

2377
01:31:44,570 --> 01:31:42,300
um

2378
01:31:46,490 --> 01:31:44,580
but he then asks the dog you just had

2379
01:31:47,870 --> 01:31:46,500
that as well didn't you now this thing

2380
01:31:49,550 --> 01:31:47,880
has it in fully if you watch the

2381
01:31:52,170 --> 01:31:49,560
documentary I see

2382
01:32:03,890 --> 01:31:52,180
so he goes outside

2383
01:32:08,030 --> 01:32:06,169
so a really interesting kind of growl

2384
01:32:10,129 --> 01:32:08,040
that he's just kind of heard behind him

2385
01:32:13,070 --> 01:32:10,139
as he's walked into the house

2386
01:32:14,870 --> 01:32:13,080
um so this was me in true students in

2387
01:32:17,330 --> 01:32:14,880
Bristol whoever I was talking to earlier

2388
01:32:19,970 --> 01:32:17,340
this is that place where I got like a

2389
01:32:23,629 --> 01:32:19,980
tenor or whatever it was

2390
01:32:25,790 --> 01:32:23,639
um so during this talk I there were only

2391
01:32:29,810 --> 01:32:25,800
five people there I've come a long way

2392
01:32:32,270 --> 01:32:29,820
and um so join us I heard someone shout

2393
01:32:35,530 --> 01:32:32,280
my name and I stopped the talk thinking

2394
01:32:37,790 --> 01:32:35,540
yes and then no one responds or carry on

2395
01:32:39,050 --> 01:32:37,800
interestingly the guy then emailed me

2396
01:32:41,750 --> 01:32:39,060
the recording a couple of weeks later

2397
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:41,760
and said what'd you make of this and I

2398
01:32:44,750 --> 01:32:43,199
think he picked it up

2399
01:32:48,070 --> 01:32:44,760
later

2400
01:32:53,629 --> 01:32:50,530
interesting

2401
01:32:55,729 --> 01:32:53,639
did you hear that um

2402
01:32:57,169 --> 01:32:55,739
so I heard and I'm wearing one of those

2403
01:32:58,490 --> 01:32:57,179
kind of mics he can pick me up because

2404
01:33:00,709 --> 01:32:58,500
he's filming from the back of the room

2405
01:33:02,270 --> 01:33:00,719
and I think that's what picked it up

2406
01:33:04,490 --> 01:33:02,280
thank you

2407
01:33:07,450 --> 01:33:04,500
um so

2408
01:33:11,510 --> 01:33:09,530
it was brilliant

2409
01:33:13,010 --> 01:33:11,520
and I kind of stopped instantly so when

2410
01:33:14,750 --> 01:33:13,020
he sent me that I was I was absolutely

2411
01:33:15,890 --> 01:33:14,760
over the moon

2412
01:33:17,629 --> 01:33:15,900
um just a couple of more things to go

2413
01:33:20,149 --> 01:33:17,639
through so one thing they have in this

2414
01:33:22,430 --> 01:33:20,159
house a lot of pennies being thrown a

2415
01:33:24,169 --> 01:33:22,440
lot and we decided to put these pennies

2416
01:33:25,370 --> 01:33:24,179
in the jar and collect all the pennies

2417
01:33:27,290 --> 01:33:25,380
that were in the house they were getting

2418
01:33:29,090 --> 01:33:27,300
New Zealand tempies everything for

2419
01:33:30,410 --> 01:33:29,100
another we were only in the house for

2420
01:33:32,030 --> 01:33:30,420
about 30 seconds and we had an all

2421
01:33:33,890 --> 01:33:32,040
thrown at us

2422
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:33,900
um

2423
01:33:38,450 --> 01:33:36,000
well I asked for five of us but clearly

2424
01:33:39,709 --> 01:33:38,460
that you know brexit Britain and um so

2425
01:33:42,290 --> 01:33:39,719
we were collecting all these pennies in

2426
01:33:44,209 --> 01:33:42,300
the jar and the

2427
01:33:45,830 --> 01:33:44,219
um every time one was thrown I was

2428
01:33:47,629 --> 01:33:45,840
making them count the pennies has the

2429
01:33:49,850 --> 01:33:47,639
penny come out of the jar and they were

2430
01:33:51,770 --> 01:33:49,860
they were manifesting the pennies were

2431
01:33:54,229 --> 01:33:51,780
just getting more and more so where the

2432
01:33:56,689 --> 01:33:54,239
hell were these pennies coming from

2433
01:34:00,470 --> 01:33:56,699
um so this is this is just after we've

2434
01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:07,550
foreign

2435
01:34:12,649 --> 01:34:09,649
so we're kind of in this kitchen living

2436
01:34:14,750 --> 01:34:12,659
room area there uh Elise she sat on the

2437
01:34:16,669 --> 01:34:14,760
stairs and a penny gets this is the

2438
01:34:19,669 --> 01:34:16,679
Hive of activity in the house this

2439
01:34:21,770 --> 01:34:19,679
stairs gets thrown off the wall over her

2440
01:34:23,390 --> 01:34:21,780
head and rolls into the room and then

2441
01:34:25,790 --> 01:34:23,400
Lee walks out thinking what the hell was

2442
01:34:27,470 --> 01:34:25,800
that but she literally pounces into the

2443
01:34:28,910 --> 01:34:27,480
room that was the second Penny we had

2444
01:34:30,590 --> 01:34:28,920
thrown we'd been there for about five

2445
01:34:32,390 --> 01:34:30,600
minutes at the time

2446
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:32,400
and then this is another good example so

2447
01:34:36,890 --> 01:34:34,080
during just a bit of background on this

2448
01:34:39,169 --> 01:34:36,900
the two children two autistic uh twins

2449
01:34:40,490 --> 01:34:39,179
they're scared you know there's a photo

2450
01:34:42,050 --> 01:34:40,500
I'll show you in a second when I've got

2451
01:34:45,709 --> 01:34:42,060
scratches all over their back and things

2452
01:34:47,689 --> 01:34:45,719
like that that they're petrified and

2453
01:34:49,550 --> 01:34:47,699
um a penny has just been thrown and he's

2454
01:34:51,169 --> 01:34:49,560
picking it up there and the child

2455
01:34:53,030 --> 01:34:51,179
downstairs says did you just throw that

2456
01:34:54,530 --> 01:34:53,040
Penny and Lee says yeah yeah it was me

2457
01:34:56,090 --> 01:34:54,540
because he's trying to protect them from

2458
01:34:57,590 --> 01:34:56,100
what's actually going on and then

2459
01:35:07,390 --> 01:34:57,600
another Penny gets thrown and you see

2460
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:11,209
oh no sorry

2461
01:35:11,219 --> 01:35:18,120
on this little bit here

2462
01:35:18,130 --> 01:35:25,750
[Music]

2463
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:32,750
we go

2464
01:35:36,830 --> 01:35:34,970
there is appears on the floor

2465
01:35:38,030 --> 01:35:36,840
so he turns the MIM around he says you

2466
01:35:39,350 --> 01:35:38,040
can face the other way and don't start

2467
01:35:40,850 --> 01:35:39,360
that now because we're going out

2468
01:35:43,010 --> 01:35:40,860
and then as he gets to the top of the

2469
01:35:45,110 --> 01:35:43,020
stairs I don't know how he must go over

2470
01:35:46,750 --> 01:35:45,120
his head hit the door and land on the

2471
01:35:49,850 --> 01:35:46,760
floor

2472
01:35:51,410 --> 01:35:49,860
uh no if you watch the documentary uh

2473
01:35:53,030 --> 01:35:51,420
elited

2474
01:35:54,050 --> 01:35:53,040
it was she did pay for Ouija board

2475
01:35:57,530 --> 01:35:54,060
though

2476
01:36:07,430 --> 01:35:59,930
I don't know um she she did he wasn't a

2477
01:36:15,250 --> 01:36:09,350
um yeah it's all kicked up again since

2478
01:36:19,790 --> 01:36:17,270
we've had a couple of people go in

2479
01:36:20,930 --> 01:36:19,800
Daniella who Bruce his wife who spoke

2480
01:36:24,770 --> 01:36:20,940
about she's the one that introduced me

2481
01:36:27,050 --> 01:36:24,780
to this family and the um

2482
01:36:28,610 --> 01:36:27,060
I tried to get a priest to go around and

2483
01:36:30,950 --> 01:36:28,620
the priest would only go if they went to

2484
01:36:34,970 --> 01:36:30,960
church for six weeks and that's that's

2485
01:36:36,830 --> 01:36:34,980
religious blackmail I really am sure

2486
01:36:39,050 --> 01:36:36,840
yeah well let me know and I'll Take You

2487
01:36:43,490 --> 01:36:41,330
um so these are the scratches that were

2488
01:36:45,169 --> 01:36:43,500
caught on one of the one of the backs I

2489
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:45,179
think this was time so at the time he

2490
01:36:49,910 --> 01:36:47,280
was like 18 19.

2491
01:36:51,950 --> 01:36:49,920
um so he was in he was in having a bath

2492
01:36:52,729 --> 01:36:51,960
so he's back we're kind of getting a bit

2493
01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:52,739
sore

2494
01:36:56,990 --> 01:36:56,159
and that's what he had all over his back

2495
01:37:00,830 --> 01:36:57,000
um

2496
01:37:02,629 --> 01:37:00,840
content so this will end on this one so

2497
01:37:04,430 --> 01:37:02,639
this is the

2498
01:37:06,169 --> 01:37:04,440
probably the best piece of evidence that

2499
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:06,179
I've ever captured as anybody in Japan

2500
01:37:09,890 --> 01:37:08,400
has been there when that's happening so

2501
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:09,900
these are motion sets so I've been there

2502
01:37:13,669 --> 01:37:11,760
I've seen coins throwing at me I've had

2503
01:37:15,770 --> 01:37:13,679
a shoe thrown at me in a room that I was

2504
01:37:17,209 --> 01:37:15,780
in on my own

2505
01:37:18,649 --> 01:37:17,219
um I then left the room someone else

2506
01:37:19,970 --> 01:37:18,659
went in and they had the same shoe

2507
01:37:22,010 --> 01:37:19,980
thrown at them as well

2508
01:37:24,169 --> 01:37:22,020
I've experienced a lot of stuff while

2509
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:24,179
I've been there

2510
01:37:28,669 --> 01:37:26,400
um so this is about two o'clock in the

2511
01:37:29,689 --> 01:37:28,679
morning and at this point that they've

2512
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:29,699
been sleeping in the living room

2513
01:37:32,450 --> 01:37:30,960
downstairs for about three months

2514
01:37:35,510 --> 01:37:32,460
because they were all too scared to go

2515
01:37:37,250 --> 01:37:35,520
upstairs and there's it's not the

2516
01:37:38,750 --> 01:37:37,260
tidiest of houses let's just put it that

2517
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:38,760
way but there's a pile of washing on the

2518
01:37:42,530 --> 01:37:40,800
floor so one of the kids downstairs

2519
01:37:44,510 --> 01:37:42,540
their onesie and slippers were

2520
01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:44,520
downstairs they got changed and they've

2521
01:37:50,450 --> 01:37:46,320
gone to bed now what you're gonna watch

2522
01:37:53,330 --> 01:37:50,460
now is the onesie manifest out of the

2523
01:37:56,570 --> 01:37:53,340
ceiling on the upstairs landing and land

2524
01:37:56,580 --> 01:38:04,170
it's really quick I'm crouching

2525
01:38:13,070 --> 01:38:10,010
[Music]

2526
01:38:15,290 --> 01:38:13,080
two little orbs fly out of the boat so

2527
01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:15,300
here this camera is set up on the

2528
01:38:20,689 --> 01:38:18,000
hallway right at the back of the hallway

2529
01:38:23,510 --> 01:38:20,699
so you come up the stairs there this

2530
01:38:25,010 --> 01:38:23,520
bedroom bathroom and this camera there's

2531
01:38:27,290 --> 01:38:25,020
nothing behind it it's attached to a

2532
01:38:28,790 --> 01:38:27,300
solid wall and we've tried everything

2533
01:38:30,350 --> 01:38:28,800
I've tried to squeeze behind the camera

2534
01:38:31,850 --> 01:38:30,360
got the slimmest but I've tried to

2535
01:38:33,229 --> 01:38:31,860
squeeze behind the camera it knows

2536
01:38:35,390 --> 01:38:33,239
you're there because it's a motion

2537
01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:35,400
sensor when you walk up to the camera it

2538
01:38:41,149 --> 01:38:37,440
starts filming so it would capture you

2539
01:38:43,729 --> 01:38:41,159
walking up but it only kicks in there

2540
01:38:45,290 --> 01:38:43,739
and above there it's just a roof and if

2541
01:38:47,090 --> 01:38:45,300
you watch the documentary it shows you

2542
01:38:48,649 --> 01:38:47,100
the house so you'll see you'll get a

2543
01:38:54,530 --> 01:38:48,659
better picture of this of this hallway

2544
01:38:54,540 --> 01:39:02,330
manifest themselves fascinated

2545
01:39:06,350 --> 01:39:04,790
um yeah well the Enfield haunting uh

2546
01:39:07,790 --> 01:39:06,360
something happened similar to policemen

2547
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:07,800
watched the slipper get thrown in the

2548
01:39:12,110 --> 01:39:10,080
bedroom didn't see it land on the floor

2549
01:39:13,430 --> 01:39:12,120
and a police went downstairs saw it come

2550
01:39:14,510 --> 01:39:13,440
through the ceiling and land on the

2551
01:39:16,790 --> 01:39:14,520
floor

2552
01:39:20,030 --> 01:39:16,800
so how are these things dematerializing

2553
01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:20,040
and re-materializing fascinating stuff

2554
01:39:22,790 --> 01:39:21,600
um but that's it I know probably ran

2555
01:39:24,290 --> 01:39:22,800
over a little bit there but if anyone

2556
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:24,300
wants to come and talk to me about

2557
01:39:26,990 --> 01:39:25,199
anything

2558
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:27,000
um please do and I really appreciate you